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All right. Welcome into the BuiltOnAir podcast. We are in
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Season 24 episode 6, today I’m gonna be so low. So I’ve got
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Kamille is in La, at the, well, she lives in LA and she’s at the airspace event, that will be talking a little bit about today, and Ollie is on a flight also, headed la for the reasons. So today I’m gonna be just me and we’re gonna do some deep dives into
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Some more AI stuff, some follow-up on last week, a couple.
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Easter egg hidden gems that our community has found and then we’re going to dive into Claude and using airtable mCP within Claude. So we have a good show for you. But yeah. If anybody’s watching and if you’ve got something to share we could have you on. We might have some time. So we’ll see how long Today’s Show goes for you, so excited to be with you. So yeah, let’s let’s talk a little bit. I’m gonna switch over to our
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Different view here. So we’ll go like this. So yeah. Today is airspace event in LA and
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So if you are out there looks like today, right now, it’s about check-in time or even a little before then. So you might be getting ready at the hotel and on your way over.
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And so, anyways love to hear how the event goes. So if you’re out there and watch this later than let us know how it went, it looks like they’ve got two tracks so there’s
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So there’s discussions speakers and then they are doing a build-a. I didn’t realize they’re doing a build-a out there so we’ll see who wins the Build A Thon at this La event.
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And they’ve got their their speakers, Paul Howie, and Rachel, be the Keynotes.
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Speaking on that or I’m seeing. So should be a good vent.
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Well, I see this, I’m a little envious. Maybe I should have made the trip out there. We’ve been fun to see you all out there. Maybe next time, I’ll make that trip. So, with that, I wanted to follow up last week. If you watched last week’s episode, we talked about some of the AI lab features. And one thing that we got stuck on was
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We couldn’t figure out how to do the the web prototype. So after the show, I continued with it and I figured it out. So I wanted to show how you do a web prototype in case you’re interested. We weren’t sure if it was there but how it works is.
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It is a specific type. So if we create a new one and so you would create a custom and then in the type in here, it’s right here. So we missed that, we were looking for it in the, in the top level, we’re looking for it within here, within the catalog, we didn’t see it anywhere. So anyway, so it’s right in here. You create the, the web prototype. You give it your instructions, you can pick your model,
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And then the same configuration that we went through last week. So if you want to see what it looks like this kind of interesting. So I just had it create a landing page for Bill on air.
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and it actually came up with
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You know, this kind of interesting this view is typically for a attachments, which aren’t Dynamic, but this one is basically is an HTML page and it’s functional. So, the links work, this is a single page app. I’d be curious if it is able, I think maybe prototype just does single page.
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um,
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excuse me. But
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Yeah, but it creates a whole working.
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HTML page. And then, I guess what you would do is you would
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Attachment.
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You can only change.
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I see where you would.
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See here.
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You.
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Hmm, yeah, so I guess it’s just for viewing. They don’t even have a download button.
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To download the HTML and host it somewhere else. So I guess it truly is just for kind of prototypes and visualizing
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And seeing anywhere.
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To download to is interesting.
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Yeah, so prototype only so I wanted to show that and then, yeah, we did our others.
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So, that’s kind of interesting. The other thing I was gonna show, shout out to Russ and the build-time are Community. He posted earlier today or evening for him.
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If you looks like this is a new feature. I hadn’t seen it before. Maybe it’s been around for a bit, but if you are using the roadmap interface layout,
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You now have the ability to change this icon so in the in the Footers you can specify What fields you want and then if you just click on the icon button here you can switch the icon and then they even have some Brands and even Dynamic looks like it has to be a certain wonder what column type these are available for.
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See.
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Let’s find a different maybe attachments.
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And status, I wonder.
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Let’s see. Okay, so for a drop down field, you can specify
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Really change it.
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Select color.
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Oh, I guess it’s just the color associated with the status field.
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so,
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Yes, we’ve got that. Let me see attachment.
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So you can do an image preview so that’s kind of cool.
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Let’s do. Let’s do this one. See if we can change this.
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No, it doesn’t like look up.
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The images.
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So just attachments. So anyways, that’s a cool feature. Shout out to Ross for, for highlighting that.
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It’s a cool thing that does not show up on on the Airtable. What’s new page?
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So anyways for today’s show, for the majority of it, we’re going to talk about mCP and what that is. Give you some context on it, if you’re not that familiar with it, and then we’re gonna, we’re gonna showcase how it works. So, we were going to do, we had a guest lined up. We’ve got sick. And so we’ll get this guest in the future. So I didn’t have a whole lot of time to prepare for this. So what do you do now with Lynn admit about the time, you run it through Ai and see, what AI comes up with. So I ran into if you’ve been using the new club design. That’s now part of claude’s AI portfolio. It’s only available in their web page version of clod. It’s not available in the in the desktop version.
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Anyway, so I ran it through and I said give me give me a slide deck to walk through mCP and how it works with airtable and 10 minutes later, it came up with this. We’re going to run through this. Give you a sense of
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Of.
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How that works?
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And there we go.
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Cat.
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So as far as what is mCP, give you. So it’s essentially like it says, here standard way, for AI tools to talk to your apps. It’s essentially a wrapper around anybody’s API and so how we’ve worked in the past is every, every service provider has some kind of API typically that that allows for reading and writing to the database. It’s very structured. It’s typically documented and there’s endpoints that you have to hit. They the structure is essentially like a URL and depending on what the URL structure looks like, determines, what you’re going to read or write. And so, you kind of have to learn this language of how an API works. And with mCP, it essentially allows you to talk in
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Native language and the mCP converts that native request understands the underlying API functionality and converts your your request into the corresponding API requests. So it’s essentially, I guess as here, a translator between natural language and the API call to in this case are table and so it uses AI to to infer what you’re trying to get at and see if it can convert that to the corresponding API call. Now the good of that is, it means you don’t have to learn
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You don’t have to learn the structure of the API and whatnot.
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but the downside to it is,
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You’re dependent on this translation process of the mCP and most of the time, it’s pretty obvious what you’re doing what you’re asking for. But if you’re not quite sure what is even available.
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You got to be careful, you might be asking for the wrong thing and and you might not even you might ask similar things and get a different API call each time. And so, so there is some advantages of if you want a repeatable process, if every time you’re writing a script or something that you want the same results every time, it might be better to to skip the mCP server and and understand the exact API call that you’re going to make what we’re going to learn about. Is there might be times where it’s happened to just to to use the mCP server which in their tables case. There are some advantages that we’re going to talk about
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So yeah, so it basically allows in this case Clive, but it works with codecs with any other any other AI environment. And
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And we’re going to and there’s a couple different options. So, because the rest API is publicly available, anybody can really write their own wrapper around that API and and make it an mCP server as. So, there’s multiple out there. It’s funny. The ones that they show here, this is what Claude came up with these are all user-generated.
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Uh, you know, Community generated and points that are available and to be able to download. But it actually doesn’t even showcase the one that airtable wrote themselves, which we’re going to talk about as well, so you can see how it kind of gets confusing. So airtable has an official mCP, but then any Community member could also write their own and be able to do that.
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So, here’s three of them that that you could potentially find. What’s kind of cool about mCP is everybody is kind of jumping on this approach and it’s it’s it’s essentially become the standard way to allow ai’s to talk to any kind of in infrastructure. So you can find these registration. Registries all over. This is the one that that get Hub maintains. So these are all like available within GitHub publicly to communicate with different
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Um, different services. So, you know, if you want to talk to your GitHub environment, right here, here’s another popular one that allows you to actually extract data. You can make API calls to the web and it’ll go out and search the web and bring your back the results. I’ve used that before contact 7 is a very popular one for developers. It basically allows it knows the documentation for any open source library and allows you to if you’re writing code to communicate with that, there’s the notion one. Now, surprisingly within here as like, okay, what is it have for airtable?
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And it did not have any results for airtable, which I find surprising, because, we’re gonna show you some of the ones that are on GitHub available for airtable. But for whatever reason, they don’t show up, I don’t know if
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this isn’t just a search across GitHub, they might have to register it or whatnot. So that’s kind of weird.
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But anyways, like I mentioned so it’s it’s basically a wrapper around the the rest API.
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so airtable, one of the big advantages that are table has had over the years is
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Being able to have a very robust API, it was something that made it stand out, is they actually had a great documentation this has not changed from the very early days. You know, I remember seeing this, they plus years ago and it has not changed a whole lot where every single base it provides you the exact documentation of what is available, what the structure of every single field looks like with an example. So they from the very early days, had a very good API documentation around, how you could communicate with your base via the API, which really allowed it to get adoption special. In the early days, people building on top of it building around it because of this nice documentation.
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And so this is essentially, what is what were building on top of and you could see, they also have now the meta where you can get all of the, you know, list the records. So this is the actual API. Not specific to a specific base but kind of the general documentation so you can kind of see in here. What is available at the rest API level?
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now how an mCP so typically, if especially if you’re a Community member
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And you’re writing an mCP server, you pretty much have to work with what is available here if within are tables, rest API. So all of the ones
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So here’s the, the one that’s pretty popular and pretty well put together. So this is put together by a Community member who actually works at anthropic the company behind Claude. And so this one is, I don’t know if it’s the official quad one, but it’s, but it’s developed by a clod employee, but it’s, it’s available to the community, he hosted under his personal account. So I don’t think it’s considered official and dropic.
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but yeah, so how it works is
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Actually, I guess it is. So this is the Airtable so basically how you install these
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Is we’re going to go into our Cloud environment. So I’ll use the web version and
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and if you go into,
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I think they just moved it.
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Sitting there.
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So if I go into settings connectors. Yeah. So now it’s under a customized
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If you click on that, now, it’s under this customized area.
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and you click on plus browse connectors and then we’re just
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just search for airtable within here. So this they have here
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As the official one by airtable.
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So now, let’s let’s see, let’s go back. So this is the one that is developed by airtable.
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Let me see, his documentation might be.
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Okay, okay, so he this one’s in claw desktop. Let me see if I can pull that up.
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sure, it’s
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Visible. Yeah, so there we are. So now we’re in Claude desktop, which is different than the club.
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And point with web version. So let’s see if we can see a different one here.
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Um, settings extensions.
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So, we’re going to go to chat.
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I think it’s now in this customized.
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Now, do they call them connectors?
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Okay, so this reflects what I have configured in the web one.
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Let’s see if we can get this to show up.
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Topic. That is not it. So I’m wondering
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it’s not a plug-in.
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wondering if I wonder if once airtable released their official one that that they pulled out the
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one for there. So this one you might have to only be able to install directly because I’m not seeing it.
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So anyways, so that’s where it kind of gets confusing because you could you could find multiple ones, but let’s talk about the official one. So here’s let me do it back in here.
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So here’s the official one from airtable.
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And how it works is.
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It has tools. So, a tool is essentially
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It doesn’t necessarily have to correspond one to one to like a, an endpoint in the API, it can, but it could also be more complex. It has some logic to it. So it could do some processing power around your requests that might do more, it might be more sophisticated, it might call multiple endpoints within one tool. So these tools are kind of like tasks or actions that they can be performed. Now here it says the there are
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Well.
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But let’s look at the documentation. So here’s the Airtable documentation for it, gives you some of the same context that we talked about.
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And then gives you.
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A setup instructions. How to do it? So the main thing that you have to do this one provides this one, some of the some of the key differences that I’ll highlight here is the airtable mCP uses oauth and so you go through the oauth process to to add it which I’ve already done but it basically is the the menu and you have to pick your scope and then you can pick what bases it has access to or if as access to all the bases. So you kind of lock it down to what it can talk to.
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and then,
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And then you do that. And then
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You cannot do it. If you’re AI tool supports custom headers. Yeah. Which so if you’re using
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Something a little bit more Dynamic than than the clod desktop itself. You can use a personal access token, which I think is kind of nice. Sometimes those are easier to use.
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Okay, so here’s what they’re saying is is the capabilities that corresponds to these tools here.
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so, um,
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Okay. So this is just a simple ping, create table, create field, create bass, create records for table. So this basically creates new records update record for table.
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Update, table update, field list, bases list, workspaces list records for table.
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so,
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Yeah.
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so,
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This is interesting. So there’s some pretty Wacker sets here. If you’re going to use this one it has to first get the table schema. So it knows like the choice IDs if you’re using
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Select fields.
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List tables for bass. So gives you all the tables in the base. So these are meta list Pages for base. So this is the one that’s interesting.
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So list all interfaces and their Pages for a base including page ID names, the tables, each page displays and the visible fields on each table. Use this to discover interface Pages, especially for bases where you have interface only access
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So this one is interesting.
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because if we go to our airtable,
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Rest API documentation.
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List pages is not available in the rest API.
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So, that is something that they have exposed to their mCP server, that allows AI to call that. But you cannot at least it’s not documented how to find the pages within a
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Within a base. So that’s one that we’re going to try to see how that difference. So, so that’s interesting. And then similarly, this one list records for page, this list records for an interface page support simple pages and hierarchy Pages brought like two tiers projects and tasks. Use this for bases. Where you have interface only access or when querying data through a specific interface page.
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Okay, so I think those are the only ones display records for table.
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Okay, this is interesting. This tool is not available by. Default is only enabled for clients that support interactive.
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Apps, if you’re developer wants to use this, fill out a form. So what does it do? It displays an interactive, widget showing record data, queried from an airtable, do not assume obtain. These do not attempt, okay? So this is
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Gotcha. So this is if you’re a tool developer and you’re building like your own chat widget and you want to like embed and airtable view of the of the data. That’s what that’s what that is. So let’s look at our quad.
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so, this is interesting, so we don’t have
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All of these. So it either doesn’t document them here.
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Or.
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Something you need to re-authenticate to get those extra tools. We’re going to see what’s available to us because that’s interesting because there are more in the documentation than what’s here. So maybe they’re just the documentation is out of date.
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Um, but it does not have that display and it doesn’t have the pages ones.
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So that’s kind of interesting. Anyways, get record for page. So a single page. So this one is also similar to to these and then the rest of these are standard searching meta things. Okay? So let’s let’s give it a go, just make sure let’s talk through.
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Yeah, and there’s also skills. Skills is a little bit different than mCP. We’re not going to dive into that. That’s a little bit more developer-centric, but
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you can kind of do similar things with with what what’s called a skill in your moment. But we’re gonna just stick with mCP for today, maybe in a few future episode. We’ll show the skills. Okay, so limitations
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Rate limit, mCP, server calls are subject to the standard API rate limits so you can’t make a ton of requests.
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This, you know, so I think it’s like five requests per second, something like that batch size creating records is limited to 10 records per request. This is
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This is a killer, having used the rest API quite a bit. This one’s frustrating because it takes a long time.
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They don’t list it on here, but I’m assuming the rest API has a limit on reading. So you can only read 100 records at a time. And then you have to page in a if you need more than 100 records. So it can take a long time to read a thousand records. You gotta make 10 requests to to do that or, you know, it would automatically do that for you, in the back end. But it’s essentially
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1000 at a time.
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Okay, change policy tool names. My favorite capabilities may change permission requirements it respects. Okay, so this is really important. The mCP server respects your existing table permissions, you can only Access Data you normally have permission to view or modify
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Third party integration. If you’re an Enterprise user they’ll need to allow list. Yeah. Okay, so this is important. So it will respect permissions. So if you don’t have access to make changes to the schema, it will respect that. So
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okay, any FAQ
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If you have base level you can use mCP to access the data stored. If you only have interface then you can just use those interface ones.
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Okay.
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So, yeah, mCP us, our public API under the hood and will count against any existing API rate limits. So, this is where I want to say this. I believe this, which is why I think those page interface ones are
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Somewhere available. They just have an publicly exposed them, but if somebody wanted to find them up at their out there,
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Okay, access interface right here. If you have interface only access to a page, you can use MCPE to discover. So using these three these are hidden ones.
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Like we have available somewhere.
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Additional cost? No, it does use your rate limits. And so there are tears depending on what tier you are. There are monthly API consumption limits as well.
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Um, you can create new bases, you can list workspaces as well.
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Okay.
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Let’s do this.
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So we’re now in our clod right here,
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We’re going to go to our chats and we’re going to create a new chat.
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With my table.
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Okay, so now it should
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should recognize that. Okay, so here we go.
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Okay, so now it’s asking it wants to, and it’s even telling us it’s giving a hint here, lists are table, workspaces. And it asks for permission, so I’m going to our options are allowance or allow always. We’re just gonna allow always
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And so now you see it working. It’s interacting and so I gave it slowing its tools. I only gave it access to. I believe one base with the key that or the authentication that I gave it. So now it listed the workspaces. Now it’s going to list the bases. So that’s a different tool call. So that’s why it’s asking for permission to call that tool.
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Part. And let’s see what it does.
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Okay. Three bases. Okay, it looks like I gave it access to give it to my finance one. We’re not going to go into that one. Okay. I this is not. This is not the key that I that I thought I would wanted to. So let’s go back in
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and,
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Let’s go back to customize. Let’s go to our connectors and I’m going to disconnect this guy.
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And let’s connect a new one.
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Okay, so here’s the oauth screen and I’m just going to add my playground Grant access to just that guy.
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So now we’re gonna try it again.
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and,
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Okay, this interesting so I actually got more permissions. I wonder if when I when I connected my previous one they’ve since added more because now we’re seeing more tools available to us. Now we’re seeing everything
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so, that’s kind of interesting either that or
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The documentation. Okay, I think it. Okay. I think this is just not up to date so there’s actually more tools available than is displayed here. I think that’s what’s going on.
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Okay, so now let’s try this again.
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Let’s do a new chat.
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And I’m going to use my voice to type faster.
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I want to interact with my Airtel Bowl environment. What bases do I have available to me?
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If you don’t use whisper for voice API or there’s there’s others like it. I highly recommend it.
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Is nice to be able to just talk, and it does such a good job.
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Okay, so now we’re gonna ask it, I’m assuming it’s going to ask for permission again.
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It’s interesting, Maybe not. Maybe it respects the permissions. I already gave it.
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That’s interesting.
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Okay.
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Hmm.
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It’s not working.
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You’re not have any bases yet permission scope the connected. Airtable may not have the necessary permissions so let’s face it or maybe scope to a specific workspace. That’s empty.
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I definitely gave it a base and authenticated.
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Hmm.
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Okay, let’s see. What do we do in here?
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and you also have the ability to
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Always allow or block certain certain ones so you can actually come through here and say never never allow for this tool to run.
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But let’s let’s try this again. See what’s not working? Okay, so um
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I’m going to.
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I don’t want to allow.
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No, we don’t want to do that.
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Okay, so the scope should already be built into here.
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so,
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Okay, so as we’re connected.
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What is going on here?
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See if we can try again.
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Mmm.
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Yeah. There we go. I don’t know. I didn’t work the first time, but we now have access.
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Okay.
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Can you list the pages of available in the interfaces of this space?
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Okay, so let’s see what it comes back. I want to test the interfaces, okay. Listen interface’ and pages in a base. Yeah want to allow that. Let’s see what we got. And I do have interfaces but they are not published. I don’t believe so we’ll find out see if it can find if they’re not published.
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Okay.
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Has one interface called interface, which contains maybe that one is published. That’s interesting.
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Okay yeah. So here’s my interface.
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And then podcast Roundup. Let’s let’s just publish the second one.
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And see if that’s the reason why the only gives us published ones.
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Okay, let’s
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try this again.
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Okay. Now it shows too. So okay, so it’s published ones.
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Even tells you the the fields a swimmer view with Fields, both are back by the same underlying tells you what table they’re backed by.
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Would you like to explore?
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Record available in.
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So you see how it’s inferring. So I didn’t even give it the exact one, but I hopefully gave it enough context that it can figure out what page I’m referring to. And then based on just, you know what records, it’s determining first. You know, what tool to run.
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And so that’s where the AI converts your natural text into the specific API call.
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Okay, so it tells us how is one record and it gives us the information. So here’s the title, the description not set, it gives us the information. So those are the the fields that I exposed into the interface. So those are the the fields that I made available, and there is only one record here. So,
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Yeah, so let’s see.
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What else can we ask?
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Yeah. Okay let’s see how smart it is and creating a new table. I might give it a little more.
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Okay. Let’s see if it can create like a task table and Link it to both of these. So you see here you can modify the structure. So
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You could see if this is easier for a complex, one with, lots of fields, might be easier to just use clod. Now you could use you could use Omni as well to to do this, but you might prefer to just stay within your existing clot environment and be able to modify
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Okay, look at our created. It episode to Do’s so this might be faster. Let’s see, did it. Okay? It created the link to the episode and the link to the team for assigned to very cool.
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All right, it did that. So there you can see now? Let’s, um,
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I remember, I wrote before, AI started to come out, I wanted to write a actually, I did create like scripts that would automatically populate your your table with sample data.
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And now, you know, ask for permission to create records. So now it should start. Populating this with tasks here in a second.
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But I remember I wrote a script that could do this, but now it’s so much easier with with AI.
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So there you go. We have our 10. So you can see you can just populate it with with sample data and update that. As you go, it even gives the summary here.
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And you’re on your way, so you can see how you can use cloud, mCP. So, this works in any kind of environment that you’re in. You can do it with Cloud code, you can do it with codex, Chachi, PT, whatever it is, you’re using, there’s different ways that you can connect to it. But very, very cool stuff that is useful for your toolbox. So, let me know how you’re using mCP and working with your AI. We’d love to have you on as well. If you’ve got some cool stuff to show, and I think we’ll wrap up today, show will be back. The whole crew will be back next week, and we’ll get an update on Kamille with airspace LA and everything else going on. So, we will see you next time. Take care.