8/29/2023 – BuiltOnAir Live Podcast Full Show – S15-E08

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Round The Bases – 00:03:18 –

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[Airtable Community] New pricing !!! – Airtable Community

[Airtable Community] Updates to Our Pricing Plans – Airtable Community

[Airtable Community] Powerful new features to govern and scale with eas… – Airtable Community

Audience Questions – 00:27:28 –

Kamille Parks answers the Airtable question: “What is up with the Pricing Changes?”

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Meet the Creators – 00:47:37 –

Meet Ben Bailey.

Sr. Research Systems Manager at Frame.io, an Adobe Company

Visit them online

Base Showcase – 00:55:47 –

We dive into a full working base that will Ben will share some never before seen publicly features coming to Airtable, relating to how 2 way sync will work in the future. Insider Information seen first here!

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Segment: Round The Bases

Start Time: 00:03:18

Roundup of what’s happening in the Airtable communities – Airtable, BuiltOnAir, Reddit, Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter.

Following Articles Used in this Segment:

[Airtable Community] New pricing !!! – Airtable Community

[Airtable Community] Updates to Our Pricing Plans – Airtable Community

[Airtable Community] Powerful new features to govern and scale with eas… – Airtable Community

Segment: Audience Questions

Start Time: 00:27:28

Airtable Question – What is up with the Pricing Changes?

Kamille Parks answers the Airtable question: “What is up with the Pricing Changes?”

View the question in the community

Segment: Meet the Creators

Start Time: 00:47:37

Ben Bailey –

Meet Ben Bailey.

Sr. Research Systems Manager at Frame.io, an Adobe Company

Visit them online

Segment: Base Showcase

Start Time: 00:55:47

2-way Sync, Version 2.0

We dive into a full working base that will Ben will share some never before seen publicly features coming to Airtable, relating to how 2 way sync will work in the future. Insider Information seen first here!

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[00:01:40] Welcome to the BuiltOnAir
[00:01:42] podcast. This is season 15.
[00:01:45] The last episode, episode eight
[00:01:47] will be off for a few weeks
[00:01:49] after this and then
[00:01:50] we'll be back in October for
[00:01:52] season 16.
[00:01:54] So good to have
[00:01:55] everybody joining us today.
[00:01:57] We've got Kamille Parks back as always,
[00:02:00] we've got Alli could not join us today.
[00:02:03] So we've got Ben Bailey coming back.
[00:02:05] Welcome, Ben.
[00:02:08] Good to have you. And
[00:02:09] we'll get into to an update on Ben.
[00:02:12] Ben's been on the show,
[00:02:13] I believe a few seasons ago.
[00:02:15] But back with us and he's got
[00:02:17] some exciting news to share with us.
[00:02:19] So
[00:02:20] I will walk us through what
[00:02:22] we're gonna be talking about today.
[00:02:23] We do an hour long show,
[00:02:25] we talk about everything Airtable,
[00:02:27] keep you up to date.
[00:02:28] We always start with our Round the Bases
[00:02:31] and what's going on
[00:02:32] in the different communities.
[00:02:34] And then a quick shout out to On2Air
[00:02:36] our primary sponsor.
[00:02:38] Then we will do the question
[00:02:40] that everybody's been asking
[00:02:42] what is up with the
[00:02:43] pricing changes. Kamille
[00:02:45] is gonna walk us through that
[00:02:47] and help everybody
[00:02:48] understand how it impacts us
[00:02:51] and then Ben, we'll get an
[00:02:53] update on what's new
[00:02:55] in Ben's life and his career.
[00:02:56] And then
[00:02:58] a quick shout out to our community
[00:03:00] how you can join it. And then Ben's gonna
[00:03:02] walk us through some new
[00:03:03] functionality that will be coming
[00:03:05] and a sneak peek into that.
[00:03:08] And it's related to two way
[00:03:10] sync version 2.0 so
[00:03:11] welcome everybody.
[00:03:13] Good to have you
[00:03:16] with Round the Bases.
[00:03:18] There's a few things.
[00:03:19] So like I mentioned,
[00:03:21] we're gonna be talking about the
[00:03:23] pricing changes,
[00:03:24] but that definitely is the big topic
[00:03:26] that everybody is talking about.
[00:03:29] So we won't dive too much
[00:03:30] into that because
[00:03:32] we're gonna focus a segment on it.
[00:03:33] But it's definitely
[00:03:35] there's discussions pretty much
[00:03:37] everywhere about it.
[00:03:39] There's a long thread
[00:03:41] on the Airtable community
[00:03:42] talking about it
[00:03:44] and all the changes.
[00:03:46] I know in the BuiltOnAir community,
[00:03:50] I think this might be
[00:03:51] we had 150 replies to,
[00:03:53] to this comment on the
[00:03:54] pricing changes.
[00:03:56] I haven't kept track,
[00:03:57] but that might be one of the higher
[00:03:59] threads that we've had in the community.
[00:04:01] So definitely a lot going on.
[00:04:03] I know in the Facebook community
[00:04:05] and likely in the
[00:04:07] Airtable forums community,
[00:04:10] everybody's talking about pricing.
[00:04:12] So we're gonna go deep
[00:04:13] into it with Kamille in,
[00:04:14] in a little bit. So hold on to that
[00:04:18] the other thing that is kind of
[00:04:20] in conjunction with it
[00:04:22] with that we can talk,
[00:04:23] talk more about is some of the
[00:04:25] features that were also added in this.
[00:04:28] So
[00:04:32] yeah, I don't know this,
[00:04:33] you guys might be more familiar with this.
[00:04:35] So there is some enterprise
[00:04:38] feature scalability governance.
[00:04:40] You familiar with these changes?
[00:04:43] I am. Yeah,
[00:04:45] yeah,
[00:04:45] yeah, walk through what they did there.
[00:04:48] So
[00:04:50] in place beforehand,
[00:04:52] there were certain like high level
[00:04:55] administrative controls you could
[00:04:58] have if you were on the enterprise plan.
[00:05:00] And
[00:05:01] some of the things that larger
[00:05:03] enterprises might have run into
[00:05:04] is you might have
[00:05:05] had multiple different
[00:05:08] you,
[00:05:09] your
[00:05:10] business was so large
[00:05:12] that it kind of made sense
[00:05:14] to have localized,
[00:05:16] you know, versions of Airtable
[00:05:17] that had different settings
[00:05:19] applied to them.
[00:05:20] Maybe the legal department
[00:05:21] is more locked down
[00:05:22] or has fewer permissions granted
[00:05:24] to them
[00:05:25] than the finance department
[00:05:26] or I don't know.
[00:05:27] So one of the things
[00:05:29] that was added in this
[00:05:31] batch for enterprise scale,
[00:05:34] which is the new name
[00:05:35] for the enterprise plan
[00:05:37] is things called,
[00:05:39] there's organizational units
[00:05:41] which are kind of like sub
[00:05:43] organizations within one enterprise
[00:05:46] instance. So you can simplify your billing
[00:05:49] instead of having multiple enterprise
[00:05:51] instances and contracts with Airtable.
[00:05:54] It's one contract where each
[00:05:55] pod or organization
[00:05:57] can have slightly different settings. So
[00:06:00] there's a lot of nuance in there
[00:06:02] and how you would implement.
[00:06:04] It really depends on your organization,
[00:06:06] but that's one of the major things that
[00:06:07] they added.
[00:06:09] Airtable A I is a beta that's
[00:06:12] currently out and being tested that's
[00:06:15] available for the
[00:06:16] pro slash team plan maybe also.
[00:06:19] So it's not just enterprise,
[00:06:20] but that's one of the things
[00:06:22] that's kind of lumped into
[00:06:23] the enterprise adjustments and
[00:06:29] enterprise key management,
[00:06:31] I believe is another one that was added
[00:06:34] for the enterprise side of the,
[00:06:37] you know, recent batches of updates
[00:06:40] and then for everybody, it was various
[00:06:42] improvements to the timeline
[00:06:44] view yet again.
[00:06:45] So they're constantly updating
[00:06:48] that view in particular.
[00:06:51] And then,
[00:06:52] you know,
[00:06:53] yeah, so here's the thread that's about
[00:06:55] enterprise specifically and all
[00:06:57] of the additional things
[00:06:58] that they're getting.
[00:06:59] So,
[00:07:00] yeah,
[00:07:01] yeah, I'll add one little detail.
[00:07:03] The, the new, what I think they call it
[00:07:04] enterprise hub,
[00:07:05] like Slack calls it enterprise grid and
[00:07:07] Airtable
[00:07:08] is calling enterprise hub
[00:07:09] with the like different layers,
[00:07:11] so you've got like your big Master account
[00:07:14] and then like your org units,
[00:07:15] but they've introduced
[00:07:16] this new role for super admin.
[00:07:18] So if you're like an it
[00:07:19] and you just need to
[00:07:21] make sure that like your skim
[00:07:22] and like your O'Auth
[00:07:24] oh sorry, your sso configurations
[00:07:26] are like set, no one else can touch them.
[00:07:28] Like that's what that's for.
[00:07:29] But then you, you are not an Airtable
[00:07:31] user yourself, right?
[00:07:32] You're probably administering, you know,
[00:07:33] dozens of different tools
[00:07:35] and making sure they all
[00:07:36] conform to your orgs,
[00:07:37] like your, your company's larger
[00:07:39] security and finance concerns.
[00:07:40] So that's like your role
[00:07:41] and that's at that highest level,
[00:07:43] that's where those
[00:07:43] settings are set.
[00:07:44] But then within the ORG units,
[00:07:46] there are admins who are gonna
[00:07:47] be like Airtable builders
[00:07:48] and users like us
[00:07:49] who are actually like configuring
[00:07:52] like, do we want
[00:07:53] our org to be able to like
[00:07:54] add these integrations?
[00:07:56] It's up to the discretion
[00:07:57] of like those admins.
[00:07:59] So I, I like that sort of split
[00:08:00] between, you've got like your
[00:08:01] central it security
[00:08:02] and finance people who control
[00:08:03] like
[00:08:04] the stuff that we don't care about.
[00:08:06] And then there's the actual like
[00:08:08] users of the product who are administering
[00:08:09] their different slices of the account,
[00:08:12] you know, as they see fit.
[00:08:15] Great.
[00:08:16] Yeah, very good.
[00:08:17] And, did you touch on the,
[00:08:19] the record updates
[00:08:21] or are you gonna talk about
[00:08:22] that?
[00:08:23] Ok. No, and I have the, the first of my,
[00:08:27] you know, I'll this,
[00:08:29] I'll call a complaint.
[00:08:31] it is difficult now to find how
[00:08:33] many records you can have per table.
[00:08:35] The old pricing page broke down
[00:08:38] how many records would be
[00:08:40] the max per base and the max per table,
[00:08:42] the new pricing page just is the max per
[00:08:44] base.
[00:08:45] So this is the first I'm
[00:08:47] hearing of the
[00:08:48] records per table being 250,000.
[00:08:51] So I will quickly add
[00:08:53] that to my chart and then
[00:08:55] it's a mystery with the other maxes are.
[00:08:57] But, yes, generally speaking,
[00:08:59] record
[00:09:01] limits have been increased
[00:09:02] for the enterprise and they have been
[00:09:04] adjusted in,
[00:09:07] the other plans which will go over later.
[00:09:10] Yeah.
[00:09:11] So,
[00:09:13] ok.
[00:09:14] Yeah. So that, that was a big
[00:09:16] increase. I know that had
[00:09:18] been in beta for a while.
[00:09:21] and hopefully they're working on
[00:09:23] even more. I was reading,
[00:09:25] I didn't have it here but there
[00:09:26] was a, there was a thread in the Facebook
[00:09:28] community about
[00:09:31] you know, how, how they're
[00:09:33] they're
[00:09:34] moving to the enterprise
[00:09:36] and they're kind of like moving
[00:09:38] upstream and,
[00:09:38] and kind of
[00:09:41] not putting as much emphasis on the SMB
[00:09:44] but yet the record limits are still not,
[00:09:47] you know, where an enterprise
[00:09:48] would want them to be
[00:09:49] like, they need to get into
[00:09:50] the millions
[00:09:51] to really
[00:09:52] satisfy the needs of,
[00:09:54] of enterprise customers. And so
[00:09:56] it'll be interesting how they figure
[00:09:58] that out. It, it seems like a technical
[00:10:00] hurdle. They gotta figure out.
[00:10:02] And one thing I just checked
[00:10:04] because
[00:10:05] that did not seem
[00:10:07] news to me of the record limits
[00:10:09] that I checked
[00:10:09] and there was an Airtable blog
[00:10:10] post back in March
[00:10:11] where they list that as like
[00:10:13] a new thing of increasing those
[00:10:14] limits to those numbers.
[00:10:16] So maybe that was a beta
[00:10:18] and I just wasn't familiar with it.
[00:10:20] Yeah,
[00:10:21] they, I announced it
[00:10:23] but they didn't roll it out
[00:10:26] yeah,
[00:10:28] in my comparison,
[00:10:29] which I'll go through later
[00:10:31] I was checking against December
[00:10:32] 2022. Is there sort of
[00:10:35] mid
[00:10:36] point between
[00:10:37] the newer Pro plan
[00:10:39] versus the older Pro plan.
[00:10:42] Rather than getting through
[00:10:44] all of those minutia
[00:10:46] going with what was current as
[00:10:48] of like a week ago.
[00:10:50] And in 2022 December,
[00:10:52] the limits for enterprise
[00:10:55] were 250,000 per base,
[00:10:57] 100,000 per table.
[00:11:01] Gotcha. Yeah. So I know,
[00:11:03] I know they've had this,
[00:11:04] you've likely had access to
[00:11:06] this for a while. But
[00:11:08] yeah, I think this is
[00:11:09] the final roll out. So,
[00:11:13] actually, yeah, this is,
[00:11:15] there we go. Yeah.
[00:11:16] So this is actually the thread
[00:11:18] I was kind of talking about
[00:11:19] Airtable's turning their back
[00:11:21] on non enterprise users.
[00:11:22] Where should we move to?
[00:11:23] This is a long discussion of
[00:11:27] 142 comments.
[00:11:29] It's kind of interesting just
[00:11:31] thinking big picture
[00:11:33] about where Airtable is
[00:11:34] moving with these changes.
[00:11:36] Who's gonna fill in the gap?
[00:11:38] Are, are we gonna see a huge exodus of,
[00:11:41] of kind of smaller
[00:11:43] businesses leaving Airtable?
[00:11:45] And if we do, where,
[00:11:47] where are they gonna go to? Thoughts on
[00:11:49] big picture changes from these
[00:11:52] decisions?
[00:11:54] It really depends on what
[00:11:56] each individual like Airtable user
[00:11:59] or, or a business run on Airtable really
[00:12:01] needs.
[00:12:02] Some of the
[00:12:04] changes that have gotten the most,
[00:12:07] flack and I would agree is moving
[00:12:10] originally,
[00:12:11] your API calls
[00:12:12] was unlimited and now there's a,
[00:12:14] number applied to it.
[00:12:16] A maximum and for a lot
[00:12:18] of people they're not gonna
[00:12:20] notice or care because
[00:12:21] they're not using the API in any way,
[00:12:23] shape or form. If you don't
[00:12:25] have anything that's
[00:12:26] hooked into Make or Zapier,
[00:12:27] you don't have a softer
[00:12:29] account or a, a
[00:12:30] website built off of stacker
[00:12:32] or any of those portal type
[00:12:34] things you're not even
[00:12:36] gonna notice.
[00:12:37] But if you are on the opposite
[00:12:39] end where you have like a
[00:12:41] storefront that is powered
[00:12:43] by Airtable
[00:12:44] which requires several different API
[00:12:46] calls in order to get that to work,
[00:12:48] you may or may not notice that.
[00:12:50] I haven't really done some testing.
[00:12:52] I have some suspicions that
[00:12:54] businesses of a certain volume
[00:12:56] which isn't gonna be a small portion.
[00:12:58] I think a considerable amount
[00:13:00] of businesses run off
[00:13:02] of Airtable are gonna see
[00:13:03] that API limit.
[00:13:04] I don't know if I
[00:13:05] would be able to test that.
[00:13:07] But
[00:13:08] that is my feeling. So to,
[00:13:10] to me it's more like what
[00:13:12] are you using Airtable for?
[00:13:14] And of the features that have been
[00:13:16] limited or, you know, shuffled around a
[00:13:19] bit.
[00:13:20] Were you using them?
[00:13:21] Would you eventually have need for them?
[00:13:24] And then what are the other
[00:13:26] platforms offering?
[00:13:27] Because every platform is
[00:13:29] probably really good at something.
[00:13:31] If you, if you've heard the name of it,
[00:13:33] someone
[00:13:33] must like it for some reason. So
[00:13:35] names that I've heard going around
[00:13:38] are no code DB which is on the screen
[00:13:41] here. API table, sea table s e a table
[00:13:46] are sort of the three that are
[00:13:48] most like and smart suite,
[00:13:50] the four that are most like Airtable
[00:13:53] that are being brought up
[00:13:55] in these conversations.
[00:13:56] And then there's other things
[00:13:57] that are
[00:13:58] not Airtable but do similar
[00:14:00] things like coda,
[00:14:01] I wouldn't say is anything really
[00:14:03] like Airtable, but it has a
[00:14:05] database in it that you could,
[00:14:07] you know, adjust your workflow to use. So
[00:14:11] there's that.
[00:14:14] Anything to add Ben
[00:14:16] from your perspective?
[00:14:18] I'll say I've just been waiting to see
[00:14:21] how Microsoft and Google with their soft
[00:14:24] Airtable competitors or like relational
[00:14:26] database tools sort of evolve and they
[00:14:27] just have had no traction
[00:14:29] because that's really attractive
[00:14:30] to small and medium
[00:14:30] businesses. Like I don't want 100 tools
[00:14:33] I pay for our office 3 65 or Google,
[00:14:35] what do they call it?
[00:14:36] I guess, workspace something
[00:14:37] works
[00:14:39] pay for that per user
[00:14:40] and it's just really easy
[00:14:42] to keep track of.
[00:14:43] But like
[00:14:44] Microsoft's
[00:14:46] tools called lists, I think and Google is,
[00:14:49] is
[00:14:50] tables. Thank you.
[00:14:51] But like they haven't gone anywhere.
[00:14:53] And
[00:14:54] so like if, if they
[00:14:57] you know, reach some level
[00:14:59] of feature parity, even with like non
[00:15:01] interface Airtable, then I think we,
[00:15:04] that would be like the solution
[00:15:06] for a lot of small and medium
[00:15:07] business teams.
[00:15:08] But I just haven't seen them actually
[00:15:09] move that way. Now that said,
[00:15:10] like
[00:15:11] Microsoft is throwing a lot
[00:15:12] of weight behind the loop.
[00:15:14] Maybe that is like a bridge
[00:15:17] to like a better, more Airtable
[00:15:19] like experience. But I have no idea.
[00:15:22] Yeah.
[00:15:23] Yeah. The Microsoft competitor,
[00:15:26] I don't, I haven't checked it in
[00:15:28] a year plus, but it was
[00:15:30] nowhere near ready for usage.
[00:15:33] It was awful.
[00:15:35] That was my assessment
[00:15:36] of a lot of like,
[00:15:38] for whatever reason,
[00:15:40] all of the companies I would
[00:15:42] expect to look like a product
[00:15:44] from Microsoft's Alternative
[00:15:46] Google's alternative,
[00:15:48] Jotforms alternative, Zappier's
[00:15:49] Alternative.
[00:15:50] All of those were just not,
[00:15:54] they weren't even close whereas
[00:15:58] I
[00:15:58] was gonna
[00:15:58] say Zapier
[00:15:59] tables is like that thing.
[00:16:00] You're like, oh, this would have a lot of
[00:16:02] promise
[00:16:03] if this were several years ago.
[00:16:05] I, I just don't know how
[00:16:06] they close that gap.
[00:16:07] So they, they kind of started with like
[00:16:11] real bare bones that
[00:16:13] does it with what Airtable
[00:16:15] could do at the time.
[00:16:17] It felt like why would I ever move,
[00:16:19] move to that system?
[00:16:20] Whereas some other ones
[00:16:22] that are like purpose built,
[00:16:24] they don't have a, 1000 products
[00:16:26] in their catalog. They only have built no
[00:16:29] code D
[00:16:30] or they've only built API Table
[00:16:33] or Smart Suite.
[00:16:34] Those are the ones that feel
[00:16:36] the most. They have the most
[00:16:38] feature parody, they seem more stable.
[00:16:41] They're not in a,
[00:16:42] you know, in the workshop
[00:16:44] or in DEV or in open beta
[00:16:46] they're released and people
[00:16:48] are using them
[00:16:49] with accessible API S
[00:16:51] and all of those, those feel like
[00:16:53] the more likely transition points,
[00:16:55] at least at this time,
[00:16:57] if you're looking to
[00:16:58] move out of Airtable into something else,
[00:17:01] it's probably gonna be
[00:17:03] in that realm.
[00:17:06] Yeah, I think,
[00:17:07] I mean smart suite is definitely,
[00:17:10] you know, nipping at their,
[00:17:12] at their tail as far as
[00:17:14] trying to be feature comparable
[00:17:17] and, and in some ways better.
[00:17:19] So they, they seem to be taking a lot
[00:17:22] of the SMB space or at least making a
[00:17:25] dent there on the enterprise.
[00:17:27] I would probably say,
[00:17:28] I think Google Tables is probably
[00:17:30] the most promising
[00:17:32] if you're already in the
[00:17:33] Google world
[00:17:34] more so than, than the Microsoft product.
[00:17:37] We'll see if, if they actually make
[00:17:40] that part of the,
[00:17:41] the Google Works Suite
[00:17:43] line of products,
[00:17:45] which I think is the plan. But
[00:17:47] yeah, until then it won't, it won't get
[00:17:49] a ton of adoption.
[00:17:53] All right, let me, let me throw some
[00:17:55] comments out here. People are suggesting
[00:17:56] other ones base row.
[00:17:59] Yeah.
[00:18:00] Jen says SMB or need,
[00:18:02] we need to go to the business tier or
[00:18:05] get more specific tools
[00:18:08] mentions Butter C MS,
[00:18:10] more tools specific to yours
[00:18:12] instead of duct taping
[00:18:15] them Jotform is so buggy
[00:18:17] and,
[00:18:18] but it's not truly a database. So
[00:18:21] I think that's another good point
[00:18:23] Airtable is like there are,
[00:18:25] if you want just a database
[00:18:28] with, you know,
[00:18:29] a, a bajillion records that you could
[00:18:32] put in Fire Base or sequel or you know,
[00:18:35] those are like established platforms that
[00:18:38] many, many, many, many
[00:18:40] large businesses run off of
[00:18:43] because they just need a database
[00:18:45] if you need a database with a nice graphic
[00:18:48] interface for you to add records
[00:18:50] and do all of that kind of stuff,
[00:18:51] but not necessarily
[00:18:53] a website or a front end
[00:18:56] then things like API table
[00:18:59] and base row are
[00:19:01] they have similar looks and feels
[00:19:04] to them as Airtable.
[00:19:05] So you're not gonna have
[00:19:07] as hard of a time moving over.
[00:19:08] Same thing with smarts suite.
[00:19:10] It's gonna look fairly similar
[00:19:11] and there's gonna be
[00:19:12] a lot of feature parody
[00:19:13] there if you need
[00:19:15] a database, a nice graphic interface
[00:19:18] for entering data and also some kind of
[00:19:21] front end,
[00:19:22] that's when you're gonna run into
[00:19:24] a little bit more trouble having
[00:19:26] some a solution
[00:19:28] that's all in one. Because Airtable
[00:19:30] has started with interface
[00:19:31] designer, which is still pretty basic
[00:19:34] as compared to something like
[00:19:36] I don't know, softer or glide
[00:19:39] where you can have a much
[00:19:41] more flexible design
[00:19:42] experience. But
[00:19:43] these are the things that
[00:19:45] you're gonna want to think of like
[00:19:46] what are all the pieces that I need
[00:19:49] and which of these platforms
[00:19:50] is gonna be the
[00:19:51] best fit for all or most of
[00:19:53] those before you move over
[00:19:55] because
[00:19:56] you know, Airtable is fairly
[00:19:58] specialized in what it does
[00:19:59] and its competitors are gonna
[00:20:01] be better at some
[00:20:02] but not necessarily better at
[00:20:04] all. So
[00:20:05] you may need
[00:20:06] a couple of tools together,
[00:20:09] but you also might save money
[00:20:11] that way. It really depends on
[00:20:12] which ones you pick.
[00:20:13] Because some of the options
[00:20:15] that we've mentioned
[00:20:16] are open source.
[00:20:17] So they don't cost anything.
[00:20:20] Yeah, I was gonna say,
[00:20:21] I think that's a great discussion
[00:20:22] for another time,
[00:20:22] not today but like how for people
[00:20:24] who know a lot more about like open source
[00:20:27] communities
[00:20:28] over what timescale could we expect?
[00:20:30] Like a true 1 to 1 feature parody,
[00:20:33] like with some lag Airtable
[00:20:35] open source project
[00:20:36] to like develop because I think
[00:20:38] that'd be super powerful like,
[00:20:39] yeah, throw up
[00:20:40] like a small like node network
[00:20:42] in your house
[00:20:43] and you self host your own little
[00:20:45] Airtable alternative.
[00:20:46] Like that'd be incredible
[00:20:47] for so many different projects.
[00:20:49] I think if you ignore interface designer,
[00:20:52] I think that probably exists and
[00:20:54] automations.
[00:20:55] Well, some of them have,
[00:20:57] have automation in there. I haven't,
[00:20:59] I want to test API table because
[00:21:01] it was recommended in our BuiltOnAir
[00:21:02] community.
[00:21:03] And I was looking at it and it seemed like
[00:21:07] it seems like it's pretty dang close
[00:21:09] in terms of what you can do in Airtable.
[00:21:11] And what you can do there base
[00:21:13] I know also comes recommended
[00:21:15] I haven't been able to test,
[00:21:16] I don't know if they have automations but
[00:21:19] they have similar view types.
[00:21:21] They have, you know,
[00:21:22] similar sort of processes
[00:21:24] that you go to, to add new
[00:21:25] records and all of that. So
[00:21:27] I think in terms of like,
[00:21:29] when can we expect an
[00:21:30] open source alternative to Airtable
[00:21:32] that's,
[00:21:33] you know, pretty dang close
[00:21:35] without getting into like
[00:21:37] intellectual property problems.
[00:21:39] I think we're, we're close
[00:21:41] if we're not already there. So,
[00:21:43] you know,
[00:21:44] maybe by next season,
[00:21:45] I'll have had time to
[00:21:48] do some comparisons,
[00:21:49] some more in depth comparisons.
[00:21:52] Yeah. My only fear is like a as Airtable
[00:21:55] moves into the enterprise,
[00:21:57] which is great. I mean,
[00:21:59] it's great for, for me,
[00:22:00] for the business that I run.
[00:22:02] And we have two experts here
[00:22:04] on our show with us
[00:22:05] that work for some of the
[00:22:06] largest enterprise customers of Airtable.
[00:22:09] But
[00:22:10] most of the fun stuff that we can
[00:22:12] actually share on the show
[00:22:14] and the community
[00:22:15] people,
[00:22:15] they're sharing stuff usually
[00:22:17] are kind of the creators SM BS.
[00:22:19] And so that's the part
[00:22:21] I hope we don't lose because
[00:22:24] there's a lot of community of,
[00:22:27] of, you know,
[00:22:28] freelance or, or small business
[00:22:30] users and, and creators
[00:22:32] that use Airtable that
[00:22:34] if we lose that we'll lose
[00:22:36] that dynamic community aspect.
[00:22:38] Absolutely. I mean,
[00:22:40] I like working for Apple,
[00:22:41] I've, I've done a lot of
[00:22:43] projects that are really challenging
[00:22:45] and really fun to sort of ship off and
[00:22:47] complete. But going to things
[00:22:49] like the Dare table conference
[00:22:51] earlier this year
[00:22:51] and hearing how other
[00:22:54] people are just building,
[00:22:57] you know, regular businesses
[00:23:00] off of Airtable
[00:23:01] and the stuff that they're able to
[00:23:03] do without being developers themselves.
[00:23:06] I am technically speaking a developer
[00:23:09] now, but like
[00:23:10] all of the people who just sort of,
[00:23:13] I run a real estate business,
[00:23:15] I need a tool
[00:23:16] and setting it up themselves.
[00:23:17] That's really powerful and
[00:23:20] you know, it,
[00:23:22] I would,
[00:23:23] it would be such a shame
[00:23:25] if that kind of vibe
[00:23:27] that Airtable gives people sort
[00:23:29] of falls by the wayside in favor of,
[00:23:32] you know, more
[00:23:34] like enterprise focus,
[00:23:36] which feels hypocritical
[00:23:39] for me to say as I sit in
[00:23:41] an, in an apple
[00:23:43] to,
[00:23:44] yeah, look at all this white.
[00:23:48] Yeah,
[00:23:49] Jen says there's room for everyone.
[00:23:51] It's just a perspective shift for SM BS.
[00:23:53] If it adds values, it's worth
[00:23:55] the subscription hike. I would agree.
[00:23:57] I mean, there's a, there's the whole
[00:23:58] point of if you're running your business
[00:24:00] off of any of these tools,
[00:24:03] it's gonna be a business expense,
[00:24:04] right? You know, a perfect solution is not
[00:24:06] gonna come for cheap, even the
[00:24:09] open source alternatives.
[00:24:10] It's gonna take some man
[00:24:12] hours to set it up and make
[00:24:13] sure it's hooked in correctly
[00:24:15] and you gotta,
[00:24:15] there's, there's gonna be more stuff
[00:24:17] on the front end of that to make sure it
[00:24:19] all runs correctly.
[00:24:20] But if you're just starting out,
[00:24:23] you know, if you have,
[00:24:24] if you need to do that prototyping
[00:24:26] of your system,
[00:24:27] Airtable
[00:24:27] is really great
[00:24:29] for rapid prototyping. And if
[00:24:31] the shifting of features around
[00:24:34] in this pricing change makes that
[00:24:36] cost prohibitive,
[00:24:37] that would be sort of a shame.
[00:24:41] Yeah, I'll end with you mentioned
[00:24:43] Airtable, our friend Chris Dancy,
[00:24:45] he put,
[00:24:47] I didn't link to it.
[00:24:48] I can't remember if it
[00:24:49] was in their community on
[00:24:50] Facebook or it might have
[00:24:52] been on Reddit.
[00:24:53] Kind of an open letter to Airtable,
[00:24:55] kind of speaking on that,
[00:24:57] that, that hopefully
[00:24:58] they don't lose sight of,
[00:25:00] of those people that helped
[00:25:02] create it and, and also supporting,
[00:25:05] there's, there's on several communities
[00:25:08] people continue to say that they are
[00:25:10] not getting a response
[00:25:12] and they're an enterprise customer
[00:25:14] and why not?
[00:25:15] So there's an open letter
[00:25:17] out there from Chris that that is
[00:25:19] worth a read.
[00:25:20] We'll see if anybody at Airtable
[00:25:22] picks up on that.
[00:25:24] In a couple of comments,
[00:25:27] I have a clients of any size
[00:25:28] who are just blown away
[00:25:30] how easy it is to get stuff
[00:25:31] stood up.
[00:25:32] Amir, welcome, Amir.
[00:25:33] I think there needs to be a
[00:25:35] balance between falling in love
[00:25:36] with the product and being
[00:25:38] careful of getting locked into a product.
[00:25:40] Very valid.
[00:25:41] You should always be in any
[00:25:43] system that you build,
[00:25:45] there should be an escape
[00:25:46] hatch.
[00:25:46] Just in case because if you're especially
[00:25:49] if your business is built off of it,
[00:25:51] right. If their servers catch on fire,
[00:25:54] you need to be able to have
[00:25:56] an export of all
[00:25:58] of your stuff just in case.
[00:26:00] So,
[00:26:01] you know, it's important
[00:26:02] to back up your data and
[00:26:04] I I'm sure Dan might have a plug about,
[00:26:06] speaking of which, On2Air
[00:26:09] On2Air
[00:26:10] is our
[00:26:11] primary sponsor and is now focused
[00:26:14] on backups for that specific use case.
[00:26:16] Best practice is to have your data
[00:26:19] backed up on more than one place.
[00:26:21] And
[00:26:23] for today's show,
[00:26:24] I'm gonna highlight one of our
[00:26:26] articles that we have the essential
[00:26:29] guide to backups for your Airtable base.
[00:26:31] This guide walks us through
[00:26:33] definitely worth book marking.
[00:26:36] Keep it,
[00:26:36] keep it in case you need it.
[00:26:38] Hopefully you never need it.
[00:26:40] But if you do here is
[00:26:41] the ultimate guide
[00:26:42] on how you might go about
[00:26:43] backing up your data
[00:26:44] different ways that you can do it.
[00:26:46] Obviously, our recommended way
[00:26:49] is to use On2Air, but that's not
[00:26:51] the only way you can do it.
[00:26:52] So if you are exploring Airtable,
[00:26:55] if you're using it, like was mentioned
[00:26:58] core to your business, you gotta make
[00:27:00] sure that you're backing up your data
[00:27:01] outside of Airtable. Airtable
[00:27:03] obviously backs it up themselves.
[00:27:05] But best practice is to have that data
[00:27:08] stored outside of Airtable for,
[00:27:11] for worst case scenarios.
[00:27:13] So check out On2Air
[00:27:15] on2air.com and use our
[00:27:17] backups for your Airtable data.
[00:27:21] Ok.
[00:27:23] Moving on the question that everybody
[00:27:25] has been asking, what is up with the
[00:27:27] pricing changes? What does it mean for us?
[00:27:30] Kamille has your answers.
[00:27:33] There you go.
[00:27:34] All right. So we are
[00:27:36] currently looking at the
[00:27:38] pro or the Airtable pricing page
[00:27:41] as of today, which of course is gonna
[00:27:44] list out all of the features.
[00:27:46] And I say all of the features
[00:27:47] that's actually not
[00:27:48] true for certain features
[00:27:50] and you have to really dig
[00:27:52] for a particular answer.
[00:27:53] That's kind of always been the case.
[00:27:55] With their tables pricing,
[00:27:57] there are specific limits
[00:27:59] that aren't really
[00:27:59] called up here.
[00:28:00] Maybe because they're too,
[00:28:03] you know, minute to put on
[00:28:05] the pricing page.
[00:28:06] If you have no idea what Airtable is,
[00:28:08] you're not gonna know
[00:28:09] what that limit is. But
[00:28:10] you know, you can get all
[00:28:13] of the specific information about what
[00:28:16] is available per pricing
[00:28:18] just now by going to
[00:28:19] airtable.com/pricing. However,
[00:28:22] if you want a comparison
[00:28:24] of what these plans used to be,
[00:28:27] I've made an Airtable base,
[00:28:30] of course, that
[00:28:32] does its best to
[00:28:34] compare like to like. So
[00:28:37] I have all of the features
[00:28:40] as they were in 2022. Again, for me,
[00:28:43] I did a snapshot of December,
[00:28:46] I think 30th or so. 2022.
[00:28:49] And then what they are all
[00:28:52] today as of August 29th, 2023.
[00:28:55] So when I say like to like,
[00:28:58] some of it was easy,
[00:29:00] free plan and free plan,
[00:29:01] some of it was somewhat easy
[00:29:03] pro plan to team plan. But then there's
[00:29:06] the removal of the plus plan
[00:29:08] and the addition of the business plan.
[00:29:12] And so
[00:29:13] basically,
[00:29:17] what used to be pro
[00:29:18] and is now team, you're
[00:29:20] going to be shuttled either
[00:29:23] into that or out of that,
[00:29:25] depending on what side of
[00:29:27] the spectrum you you're on
[00:29:29] in terms of how many records
[00:29:31] you need or how many
[00:29:31] automation runs, et cetera.
[00:29:33] So
[00:29:34] walking through each comparison
[00:29:37] at a high
[00:29:38] level, a lot of features are the same,
[00:29:41] but some of them are different and
[00:29:43] some of those are pretty critical
[00:29:45] differences.
[00:29:46] So comparing free 2022 to free
[00:29:48] 2023.
[00:29:50] 1st things first,
[00:29:52] you're losing 200 records per base.
[00:29:56] That's not a whole lot of records,
[00:29:58] but it is a whole lot of records
[00:29:59] proportionally to how many
[00:30:01] you used to be able
[00:30:02] to have in the first place.
[00:30:03] So
[00:30:04] 1200 was a weird
[00:30:06] number to me. 1000 makes more sense,
[00:30:08] however, it's fewer records.
[00:30:10] So that's negative
[00:30:11] just as a note, if it's a change
[00:30:14] that I personally feel is a negative,
[00:30:17] it's gonna be a color coded red.
[00:30:19] If it's a change
[00:30:20] that is gonna be a positive
[00:30:22] for most people,
[00:30:23] it's gonna be color coded green.
[00:30:25] I don't know how many records
[00:30:27] per table it is. I suspect also 1000 but I
[00:30:30] can't,
[00:30:31] I didn't see that number anywhere. So,
[00:30:33] I can't verify that is true.
[00:30:36] Free plan works a little bit differently
[00:30:38] from the other plans and that
[00:30:39] there's a specific number
[00:30:41] of editors you can have
[00:30:43] in the workspace and the
[00:30:44] specific number of commenters.
[00:30:47] The editors is the same number
[00:30:49] five,
[00:30:50] commenters went from unlimited to 50.
[00:30:52] So there's is one of the 1st
[00:30:55] 1st examples of some feature
[00:30:58] going from unlimited to a hard number that
[00:31:03] you know, you can't go above.
[00:31:05] Attachment space is cut in half
[00:31:07] from two gigabytes to one gigabyte.
[00:31:12] And then a lot of the rest
[00:31:13] of the features
[00:31:14] are the same until you get to
[00:31:15] extension. So,
[00:31:19] the history of extensions with the free
[00:31:22] plan is a nice storied adventure.
[00:31:24] Originally,
[00:31:27] someday Bill will write a book on it.
[00:31:30] Yeah, I
[00:31:31] well,
[00:31:32] so I mean long story short
[00:31:34] back when the scripting
[00:31:36] extension was made
[00:31:38] available, it was available
[00:31:40] for everybody. And then
[00:31:41] there was a pricing plan change
[00:31:44] that locked extensions down to
[00:31:46] the pro plan and there was this
[00:31:48] whole back and forth
[00:31:49] about whether or not that
[00:31:49] would include the scripting extension.
[00:31:52] And as of December 2022
[00:31:54] you could have the scripting
[00:31:57] extension and
[00:31:58] one of any other type of extension
[00:32:01] within your base.
[00:32:02] If you were on the preplan
[00:32:04] as of today,
[00:32:05] you can't have either. Which means,
[00:32:08] you know, my longstanding
[00:32:10] bet about the subject with Bill.
[00:32:12] Unfortunately, it means that my bet
[00:32:15] was accurate, although I was,
[00:32:17] you know,
[00:32:18] three decisions early,
[00:32:21] I guess.
[00:32:23] I don't know. Airtable has bought
[00:32:25] me the second sandwich. So,
[00:32:26] you know, I've, I've been made
[00:32:28] good on that particular bet.
[00:32:30] This saddens me
[00:32:30] though. I'm, I, I think this is
[00:32:33] deeply unfortunate. Scripting is
[00:32:36] a do it yourself
[00:32:39] solution, you know, I want to be able to
[00:32:42] make my base good and
[00:32:44] even though I'm on the free plan
[00:32:46] and I'm already pretty limited
[00:32:47] with the number
[00:32:47] of records again for the purposes
[00:32:50] of rapid prototyping,
[00:32:51] I think it's pretty important
[00:32:52] for all plan levels to have the scripting
[00:32:54] extension.
[00:32:56] It's weird because the scripting
[00:32:58] extension runs on your local machine.
[00:32:59] So like there's no added cost for
[00:33:01] two,
[00:33:02] isn't
[00:33:04] there sure isn't.
[00:33:06] I don't know there is
[00:33:08] if you're performing updates,
[00:33:13] but at the same time I did,
[00:33:14] I don't like this change,
[00:33:16] I'll, I'll leave it there.
[00:33:19] So automation integrations
[00:33:20] have also been cut,
[00:33:22] you used to be able to have them
[00:33:23] and now you doesn't seem that you can,
[00:33:26] you also can't sync anymore.
[00:33:28] You used to be able to have
[00:33:30] at least one synced
[00:33:32] Or at most one synced table,
[00:33:33] you can no longer have any synced tables,
[00:33:36] it seems.
[00:33:37] And then the last one
[00:33:40] API api calls going from unlimited to
[00:33:44] 1000 per month. I believe
[00:33:49] that is still at the workspace level.
[00:33:52] So not per base.
[00:33:54] That's fairly significant.
[00:33:57] I have no idea if the average
[00:33:59] person on the free plan
[00:34:01] will hit this number.
[00:34:03] I, I don't suspect just because you have,
[00:34:06] you're already so limited
[00:34:07] in the number of records.
[00:34:08] I don't imagine there's many API calls
[00:34:11] you would make. Although
[00:34:12] I don't know if that's true
[00:34:13] and it might not be true for your
[00:34:15] use case. So just keep that in mind that
[00:34:18] you now have a limit for your API calls.
[00:34:21] Those are the high level
[00:34:23] changes for the free plans.
[00:34:26] The next one is going from plus to maybe,
[00:34:31] maybe, maybe don't spend too
[00:34:32] much time on this.
[00:34:34] So I don't know how many plus
[00:34:35] users are here,
[00:34:36] but I'm not gonna spend much time on it.
[00:34:38] I will say that if you
[00:34:39] were on the plus plan,
[00:34:40] that plan is being eliminated,
[00:34:42] you will be moved to the
[00:34:43] team plan and you will be paying
[00:34:45] the same amount you used to pay.
[00:34:47] So you basically get all of team
[00:34:49] for half the price.
[00:34:50] So basically everything is
[00:34:52] a positive for you.
[00:34:54] Now from pro to
[00:34:56] team,
[00:34:59] these are the most like plans together,
[00:35:01] most of the changes are gonna be
[00:35:03] negative.
[00:35:04] So
[00:35:05] originally you used to be able to
[00:35:07] have unlimited extensions and then it was
[00:35:09] limited to 10 per base.
[00:35:11] And now you're no longer
[00:35:16] you, you no longer
[00:35:17] have that arbitrary limit. So
[00:35:18] it got better
[00:35:20] and that's, that's a positive,
[00:35:22] I mislabeled that.
[00:35:23] But things like automation runs
[00:35:26] have been cut in half from 50,000 to
[00:35:29] 25,000.
[00:35:31] It is unclear if you are able to
[00:35:34] have certain automation integrations like
[00:35:37] Jira.
[00:35:38] I wasn't able to tell that from
[00:35:40] the comparison
[00:35:41] to the different pricing pages,
[00:35:42] it might be hidden in support articles.
[00:35:45] Multisource syncing,
[00:35:47] is not available and neither
[00:35:49] are premium sync integrations.
[00:35:52] Just kind of why I feel like
[00:35:54] you might not have the premium automation
[00:35:56] integrations either because it would be,
[00:35:58] you know,
[00:35:59] going essentially to the
[00:36:01] same place, either Jira
[00:36:02] cloud or Jira
[00:36:03] the Jira server, I think it's called
[00:36:08] A
[00:36:08] lot of these are the same
[00:36:10] API calls again, are limited from
[00:36:13] unlimited to 100,000 per month.
[00:36:18] Yeah. Again, it really depends on
[00:36:20] what your use case is
[00:36:22] whether or not this is
[00:36:23] going to be something that you notice.
[00:36:27] I am thinking if you run like
[00:36:29] an e-commerce store
[00:36:31] of some sort off of Airtable,
[00:36:33] you're probably gonna see this
[00:36:35] if you
[00:36:38] have a less intense
[00:36:40] sort of front end built on
[00:36:43] Airtable you might not.
[00:36:46] This, I think this is the change
[00:36:48] that would be most worrisome,
[00:36:49] I think.
[00:36:50] And then something that I also
[00:36:52] noticed
[00:36:53] email support is not included under
[00:36:55] team plan anymore.
[00:36:57] I thought that was odd.
[00:36:59] You, you, you get less.
[00:37:01] So, what kind of support?
[00:37:04] Yeah. II, I just,
[00:37:06] it used to be there
[00:37:07] and now it's not, so, it's,
[00:37:10] maybe that's just a typo,
[00:37:11] like email support is the only kind
[00:37:13] of support they offer anyway.
[00:37:14] Yeah, I would, I would hope
[00:37:16] but it, it, it didn't have
[00:37:18] the other ones had a
[00:37:19] check. So
[00:37:23] just flagging that.
[00:37:24] Now from pro to business
[00:37:26] business is a net new plan.
[00:37:28] Before it used to be one
[00:37:30] type of enterprise, business is basically
[00:37:33] enterprise light.
[00:37:34] So
[00:37:35] for a lot of these positives,
[00:37:37] keep in mind that
[00:37:38] you will be paying more if
[00:37:40] you're going from what used
[00:37:42] to be pro into what is now business.
[00:37:44] This is so
[00:37:46] to kind of compare
[00:37:49] the,
[00:37:50] you know,
[00:37:51] hard limits that that are given.
[00:37:54] So if a limit was introduced
[00:37:56] into the team plan
[00:37:57] that you're worried about,
[00:37:59] you might be better suited
[00:38:01] now for the business plan,
[00:38:02] which again
[00:38:03] costs more,
[00:38:04] but you will be
[00:38:06] less limited for things like the
[00:38:08] number of records per base and attachments
[00:38:11] and how long you could keep the
[00:38:15] automation history and the
[00:38:17] revision history for you know,
[00:38:19] like deleting records
[00:38:20] and things like that.
[00:38:23] You would be
[00:38:24] able to get all the extensions,
[00:38:26] et cetera,
[00:38:27] all of the automation runs per month,
[00:38:29] et cetera. Basically, all of the
[00:38:33] hard limits, the numerical limits
[00:38:36] are increased from pro to business.
[00:38:40] As they probably should be,
[00:38:43] the business plan is where you're
[00:38:45] gonna be able to do
[00:38:46] the more complicated sync
[00:38:47] integrations
[00:38:49] like two A sync.
[00:38:51] And also the business plan is where you
[00:38:54] would be able to use the sync api
[00:38:56] whereas the teams plan cannot.
[00:38:59] So it's another change
[00:39:01] I personally dislike.
[00:39:03] I really like using the sync API,
[00:39:05] but you would now have
[00:39:06] to be on the business
[00:39:07] plan in order to use it.
[00:39:10] And then
[00:39:11] because it's business or enterprise light,
[00:39:15] there's I like to call it for
[00:39:17] business, you get some of the
[00:39:19] enterprise level controls. So
[00:39:21] the admin panel and user groups
[00:39:24] and sso and things like that
[00:39:27] that you could do at this level
[00:39:30] without getting to the full
[00:39:32] enterprise plan.
[00:39:33] And then
[00:39:36] you're just, you know,
[00:39:37] you get to keep the unlimited
[00:39:39] API calls per month.
[00:39:40] So if that was a concern for you,
[00:39:44] business plan might be
[00:39:46] the plan to go for.
[00:39:47] You don't have access
[00:39:49] to the enterprise API.
[00:39:50] The enterprise API is lets you do
[00:39:53] more,
[00:39:55] you know, nitty gritty stuff
[00:39:58] from a coding perspective like
[00:40:00] moving
[00:40:02] people between groups I think
[00:40:04] is like a specific example of things that
[00:40:07] are relegated to the enterprise API
[00:40:10] versus the more low level web API.
[00:40:14] And then lastly enterprise
[00:40:17] 2022 to enterprise scale 2023
[00:40:21] most of this is
[00:40:24] met new features,
[00:40:26] things that didn't exist at all. And then,
[00:40:29] you know,
[00:40:30] they were added for enterprise scale
[00:40:32] and then some of them are things
[00:40:33] that we talked about earlier,
[00:40:34] like the increased records per base.
[00:40:37] And then you get a little bit longer
[00:40:40] revision snapshot history.
[00:40:43] The rest of the changes are mostly
[00:40:46] things that didn't really exist like the
[00:40:48] verified data sets and,
[00:40:50] and a lot of it is gonna be under
[00:40:52] the admin controls that would
[00:40:54] be both enterprise hub
[00:40:56] and organizational units,
[00:40:57] which we talked about
[00:40:59] at the top of the show.
[00:41:00] And those are the kind of like
[00:41:02] the high level touch points
[00:41:04] of what has changed
[00:41:05] from plan to plan.
[00:41:07] And then,
[00:41:09] you know, good just going
[00:41:12] back to all of them together,
[00:41:14] the pricing is effectively the same for
[00:41:18] if you were on pro and going to
[00:41:20] team, it's gonna be the same,
[00:41:22] you know, numerical value
[00:41:23] in terms of your price.
[00:41:25] Business is the new plan that
[00:41:26] didn't exist before. So
[00:41:29] that's if you pay by year,
[00:41:31] it's 540 a year. If you pay by month,
[00:41:33] it's $54 per seat per month.
[00:41:36] And I think that's the only real
[00:41:40] difference in pricing because
[00:41:41] it's a new plan enterprise.
[00:41:43] I cannot tell you if
[00:41:43] you're gonna pay more or less because it's
[00:41:46] nebulous. They never really release
[00:41:49] with a lot of detail,
[00:41:50] how much enterprise actually costs.
[00:41:54] This is awesome Kamille.
[00:41:56] You could sell this to Airtable,
[00:41:58] I would think.
[00:42:00] I just feel like this should be,
[00:42:03] you know, you can,
[00:42:04] you share this base with the community?
[00:42:07] Yeah, I could probably put it on the
[00:42:09] universe and just leave it there.
[00:42:12] I might, I didn't finish putting
[00:42:14] in all of the descriptions
[00:42:15] for what each of
[00:42:16] these features are because it's
[00:42:18] kind of annoying to get to.
[00:42:20] And the price table has changed
[00:42:22] like some items used to be on the pricing
[00:42:24] table and are no longer there,
[00:42:26] which means it's harder to find what this
[00:42:27] description
[00:42:29] of each of these features are.
[00:42:30] That's why I have the
[00:42:32] records per table for all the old plans,
[00:42:34] but not for any of the new plans except
[00:42:36] for the one we discovered
[00:42:38] a second ago for enterprise. So
[00:42:40] not completely filled in but
[00:42:42] filled to the best of my ability.
[00:42:44] Yeah. No,
[00:42:44] this is awesome.
[00:42:46] It'll be interesting to keep this update
[00:42:48] over the years and see how their
[00:42:50] pricing changes. Yeah, in 2024
[00:42:53] if they make more adjustments,
[00:42:55] you know, hopefully that's just
[00:42:57] increasing the record limit and not,
[00:42:59] you know, shuffling who
[00:43:01] gets to use extensions and
[00:43:03] you know, whether or not you can
[00:43:06] write your own syncing
[00:43:08] integration. When's the last time
[00:43:10] Airtable had a pricing and plan
[00:43:12] change? Like a significant one.
[00:43:14] Top of 2023 I think.
[00:43:17] Really? Is that recent?
[00:43:18] I just don't remember. Well, no, not 2023.
[00:43:20] I'm sorry. 2022
[00:43:22] I think.
[00:43:24] Yeah, maybe.
[00:43:26] I believe it was like
[00:43:29] February or so. 2022.
[00:43:32] That was the change that,
[00:43:34] you know, you could only have 10
[00:43:35] extensions per base if you were
[00:43:37] on the pro plan, which is
[00:43:39] probably the, the most baffling
[00:43:41] pricing change that I think I've seen
[00:43:44] the other ones are like,
[00:43:46] I get it.
[00:43:47] I don't like them but I understand
[00:43:49] why from like a business perspective and,
[00:43:52] you know, trying to
[00:43:53] make profits and whatnot
[00:43:54] that change I to this day
[00:43:56] have openly described as like,
[00:43:59] just
[00:44:01] ridiculous.
[00:44:31] Yep. Looks like Dan is having
[00:44:33] some technical difficulties.
[00:44:35] Whoops.
[00:44:36] Well, well,
[00:44:38] yeah. So I, I'd be very
[00:44:39] interested to see because there's a,
[00:44:41] there's a very significant
[00:44:43] consumer mindset gap
[00:44:44] between
[00:44:45] a free plan and then the next step
[00:44:48] up is $20 per use of
[00:44:49] a
[00:44:49] month. That's a very large gap. So
[00:44:52] I, I would wager that Airtable
[00:44:54] will probably at some point,
[00:44:56] I know insider information
[00:44:57] is fairly speculation
[00:44:58] just knowing what other,
[00:44:59] even business tools having like
[00:45:01] a get your foot in the door as like an
[00:45:03] independent creator or an independent,
[00:45:05] like business person.
[00:45:08] I, I would suspect at some point
[00:45:10] they're gonna have to
[00:45:11] have like an entry level
[00:45:12] around $10 a month,
[00:45:13] something with like
[00:45:14] hard limits on it. Sure.
[00:45:15] Like only up to five users or something.
[00:45:18] Um,
[00:45:19] but $20 a month is a pretty big leap.
[00:45:21] They did have it with the plus plan, but
[00:45:24] they basically were like, nobody was,
[00:45:26] nobody ever used it.
[00:45:28] So that's why they just flat out
[00:45:30] removed it as a plan. So,
[00:45:34] and it may, it could be that the
[00:45:36] combination of features
[00:45:37] that were available and
[00:45:38] plus just weren't enticing
[00:45:40] enough to people. And that
[00:45:42] maybe you could get well
[00:45:44] and before when there weren't any
[00:45:47] api limitations,
[00:45:48] you could have collaboration
[00:45:51] through third parties and not have to pay
[00:45:55] an Airtable license fee
[00:45:57] for every individual
[00:45:58] who needed to touch the data in
[00:45:59] some way. And now you kind of
[00:46:01] have to do a balancing act of
[00:46:03] how many people are gonna
[00:46:04] be editing directly within Airtable.
[00:46:06] That's a seat
[00:46:07] that I have to pay to license
[00:46:08] fee for.
[00:46:10] And how many people need to edit
[00:46:12] externally through a portal
[00:46:13] or a website or a,
[00:46:14] or Ecommerce store or something like that.
[00:46:17] That's gonna rely on API integration.
[00:46:19] And now you have a limit.
[00:46:20] If you're on the team plan,
[00:46:22] you don't have a limit
[00:46:23] if you're on business,
[00:46:24] but business costs more.
[00:46:25] And so you really do have to
[00:46:27] look at the specifics
[00:46:29] of each of these plans
[00:46:30] and really ask yourself,
[00:46:31] am I going to use this feature?
[00:46:33] Do I need an admin hub?
[00:46:36] You might not
[00:46:37] or you might actually need it.
[00:46:39] I mean, one of the biggest like
[00:46:41] baffling things with Airtable
[00:46:42] is that many people
[00:46:44] were trying to get on the
[00:46:45] enterprise plan and got like radio silence
[00:46:48] your
[00:46:49] business plan. You're supposed
[00:46:51] to be able to sign up
[00:46:52] for the same way you would
[00:46:53] with teams with no interaction
[00:46:55] with the sales team. So,
[00:46:57] you know, that eliminates whatever
[00:46:59] hurdle there was before,
[00:47:01] but again, it does cost more money.
[00:47:04] So really checking
[00:47:06] each of these plans and which one
[00:47:08] is the best suited
[00:47:10] for what your team or what
[00:47:12] your business
[00:47:13] actually needs.
[00:47:16] Can you guys hear me now?
[00:47:18] Sure.
[00:47:20] I kicked something under the table
[00:47:22] and I think I lost my audio
[00:47:24] and everything.
[00:47:25] So,
[00:47:26] all right. Thank you Kamille for,
[00:47:28] for walking us through those changes.
[00:47:31] We're gonna move on
[00:47:33] and
[00:47:35] Ben if you want to, I wanna make sure
[00:47:37] we give enough time for,
[00:47:38] for your exciting news that you're
[00:47:40] gonna share with us. So maybe just a brief
[00:47:42] update on
[00:47:43] what's new in your life,
[00:47:44] your new role at Doby.
[00:47:47] Sure. So last time I was on like
[00:47:50] a a
[00:47:51] and you said it was like February
[00:47:52] of last year or something like that.
[00:47:54] So I think we had
[00:47:57] just, you know, gone through like
[00:47:59] our,
[00:48:01] my dates are crazy. We had only recently
[00:48:04] started to be acquired by Adobe.
[00:48:06] Maybe it was like the year prior.
[00:48:09] But that this past summer, summer of 22
[00:48:13] I had just come back from paternity leave
[00:48:16] and we have a team that does
[00:48:18] research and I was an editor for 10 years.
[00:48:21] I if you don't know, it's a tool that lets
[00:48:23] video creation teams collaborate
[00:48:24] from anywhere in the world
[00:48:26] we were acquired
[00:48:26] by Adobe. Adobe obviously has
[00:48:28] a lot of tools
[00:48:28] that work with creative work flows.
[00:48:30] But we have a team that does research
[00:48:32] on how our customers
[00:48:34] solve their problems,
[00:48:35] solve their problems in the real world
[00:48:37] with real tools and
[00:48:38] real productions and all these things.
[00:48:39] And I was like, hey, I was an editor for
[00:48:40] a long time.
[00:48:41] That sounds really interesting.
[00:48:42] So they had a need to figure out
[00:48:45] how do we pipe
[00:48:46] all of this data around that
[00:48:47] could be like insights
[00:48:49] from a customer interview
[00:48:50] to like a product manager's design
[00:48:53] or design team's designs,
[00:48:54] product manager, strategic insight.
[00:48:56] Like how do we pipe all that around?
[00:48:57] Well, I had a lot of
[00:48:58] experience having worked
[00:48:59] with Airtable for like four years
[00:49:01] prior five years now.
[00:49:02] And just said,
[00:49:05] hey, I think you could do it
[00:49:06] this way
[00:49:07] and I joined the user insights team for my
[00:49:08] user insights. It's a lot of fun.
[00:49:10] It's great to be able to meet with really
[00:49:12] smart creative people
[00:49:13] all day long from the industry and
[00:49:15] learn from them and then build cool
[00:49:18] solutions with Airtable to help us all,
[00:49:20] you know, kick really hard
[00:49:21] and make a dent
[00:49:22] in the universe because like
[00:49:23] tiny little product decisions
[00:49:25] impact as we're all learning now,
[00:49:26] can impact lots and lots of people.
[00:49:28] So we want to make sure that when we're
[00:49:30] making those changes or making
[00:49:31] improvements
[00:49:32] that it's making people's lives
[00:49:33] better.
[00:49:34] So that's, that's my new role.
[00:49:35] But a big part of that is using Airtable.
[00:49:38] And so Airtable is used across
[00:49:39] Adobe for lots of things. But
[00:49:41] I, we use it for
[00:49:43] a whole list of things.
[00:49:44] What we are using it
[00:49:45] in user insights for is like this
[00:49:46] research repository and all of the various
[00:49:48] components that go into that.
[00:49:50] So we're going to capture data,
[00:49:51] analyze it, organize it
[00:49:53] and then pipe it back out
[00:49:54] across various potentials
[00:49:56] to different teams.
[00:49:57] Well,
[00:49:58] like I said, I've been using
[00:49:59] Airtable for a long time and,
[00:50:00] and
[00:50:01] one of the, the,
[00:50:02] the key compromises
[00:50:04] that we as builders
[00:50:05] have had to just sort of live with for a
[00:50:06] long time
[00:50:07] is like where your data lives
[00:50:09] dictates entirely what you can do with it.
[00:50:11] So in the old days,
[00:50:12] you know, let say like pre 2020
[00:50:14] or 21 whatever it was
[00:50:17] data lived in a base
[00:50:18] and the only way to really get out
[00:50:20] of it was to like, use Zapier to like,
[00:50:22] kind of move things around,
[00:50:24] but you couldn't really
[00:50:25] do a whole lot with that.
[00:50:26] And then at some point
[00:50:27] they like tested with the sync block,
[00:50:29] which I
[00:50:30] only vaguely remember how it worked.
[00:50:32] But basically, it would like take a
[00:50:33] snapshot of the, of the data
[00:50:35] in one base and like dump it
[00:50:36] somewhere else and
[00:50:36] like kind of helped in
[00:50:38] that you could have data
[00:50:40] live in multiple bases.
[00:50:42] But then make its way from one
[00:50:44] place to to the to another in kind of an
[00:50:45] automated way.
[00:50:46] And then they bring out
[00:50:48] you know, multi basing
[00:50:49] the idea that you can have
[00:50:51] a share view or share link
[00:50:52] from one table and create
[00:50:54] with a little lightning bolt,
[00:50:56] a sync table in another
[00:50:57] base. Oh That was amazing. Suddenly
[00:50:59] you could reference data
[00:51:01] from one base even though it lived
[00:51:04] somewhere else.
[00:51:05] So we're starting to narrow
[00:51:07] the like distance between data.
[00:51:08] But, but there were still limits.
[00:51:10] Like
[00:51:11] you couldn't update that data,
[00:51:12] you couldn't edit it from a destination.
[00:51:14] You still needed to go back
[00:51:15] to the source
[00:51:16] if you actually wanted to interact
[00:51:17] with the data in any way other
[00:51:19] than just like I can read it
[00:51:20] right here and I can
[00:51:21] make a linked relationship
[00:51:22] in the destination,
[00:51:23] even though it lives somewhere
[00:51:24] else, you had to go back
[00:51:26] to the source
[00:51:27] and then they bring out two way sync and
[00:51:28] oh, amazing.
[00:51:29] Suddenly you can have
[00:51:30] data live in different places,
[00:51:32] but it can sync right in front of you
[00:51:34] in this table and you can even edit it.
[00:51:36] That's fantastic.
[00:51:37] But I'm sure you can guess
[00:51:39] there's like one extra piece
[00:51:40] that's missing and it's
[00:51:40] the ability
[00:51:42] to be able to create
[00:51:43] and delete records from a source,
[00:51:45] even though you're not there,
[00:51:47] you're in a destination.
[00:51:48] And that's what I'm here
[00:51:49] to talk about today.
[00:51:50] So two way sync is I've been data,
[00:51:51] be testing it last year.
[00:51:52] It's really exciting. It's very cool.
[00:51:54] But the, like the, the number one
[00:51:56] blocker I saw from day one was like,
[00:51:57] we have to have the ability
[00:51:59] to like create this new data
[00:52:01] and interact with it
[00:52:02] from a, from a destination
[00:52:05] into the source. So Airtable's
[00:52:07] working on this right now.
[00:52:08] I've been testing it for a long time.
[00:52:10] So they were, they were comfortable.
[00:52:11] They gave me my,
[00:52:12] the blessing to talk about
[00:52:12] it today. I don't know timelines.
[00:52:14] Like I don't have a mock up or anything,
[00:52:15] but I made my own.
[00:52:16] So hopefully we'll have
[00:52:17] time to show that off.
[00:52:19] But the, the, the,
[00:52:20] the, the TLDR version
[00:52:22] of this is, I think that
[00:52:24] two way sync with the ability
[00:52:26] to and they don't have a catchy
[00:52:28] name for this yet.
[00:52:28] So we'll just call it like full two
[00:52:30] way sync or 2, 2 way sync 2.0
[00:52:34] I think the value proposition
[00:52:35] here is that it really will allow
[00:52:37] this
[00:52:38] like total interface Airtable
[00:52:41] interface like user experience
[00:52:43] where if you want to build something,
[00:52:46] the analogy I've been using is like LEGOS.
[00:52:48] If I want to build something in Legos,
[00:52:50] I don't think. Well, I need to like
[00:52:53] learn how injection molding
[00:52:55] and plastics work
[00:52:56] and then like come up with a hyper
[00:52:57] mathematical system of like
[00:52:59] how all of the little Nubbins
[00:53:00] fit together.
[00:53:01] No, I just want to build a pirate ship
[00:53:03] and I've got a box of lego pieces and I'm
[00:53:04] like imagining this thing
[00:53:06] and I put it together.
[00:53:07] Well, in its current iteration,
[00:53:08] if you want to build something
[00:53:10] with data
[00:53:11] that your organization already has,
[00:53:12] let's say it lives in like two
[00:53:13] or three different bases
[00:53:14] or you don't have a base at all.
[00:53:16] You've gotta build that base first.
[00:53:18] You've got to figure out that
[00:53:19] mathematical system
[00:53:20] of how all the pieces fit
[00:53:21] together.
[00:53:22] And then
[00:53:23] you can build a pirate ship
[00:53:24] or your castle or your whatever.
[00:53:26] With two way sync
[00:53:27] and the ability like full two way sync
[00:53:28] and create records from
[00:53:29] wherever. Well, then like suddenly
[00:53:31] it doesn't matter where the data lives and
[00:53:32] then you can have nerds
[00:53:34] like me whose whole job
[00:53:35] is designing the LEGO pieces
[00:53:36] and then you want to make
[00:53:37] a new interface
[00:53:38] and then you can just sync in data
[00:53:39] from wherever you want.
[00:53:41] And let's say you've got like
[00:53:42] a table somewhere for like accounts
[00:53:44] or like sales deals
[00:53:45] or tasks or projects or
[00:53:46] whatever you want.
[00:53:47] You don't have to worry
[00:53:49] so much about like,
[00:53:51] how is this table built?
[00:53:52] I just want to reference it.
[00:53:54] I just want to reference it
[00:53:55] and bring it in.
[00:53:56] And if I need to add things to that
[00:53:57] list, I don't have to come up
[00:53:58] with some crazy group
[00:53:59] Goldberg machine to like
[00:54:00] automatically
[00:54:02] create new records in that source.
[00:54:03] When I like tick a box, it's just going to
[00:54:05] interact with it.
[00:54:07] Like any other record
[00:54:08] that would be in the interface
[00:54:09] slash the base that you're
[00:54:10] working in.
[00:54:12] So I see this as opening the door
[00:54:13] to sort of like this, this true
[00:54:15] interface only user experience
[00:54:17] and then frees up people
[00:54:19] like me to focus on
[00:54:20] the building the pieces.
[00:54:21] So you'll have like the stratification
[00:54:22] between like
[00:54:23] people who are not building
[00:54:25] the pieces,
[00:54:26] they just wanna build cool stuff in in
[00:54:28] Airtable. And then the people
[00:54:29] who can focus on, we need to build really
[00:54:31] robust data hierarchies across
[00:54:33] our entire org where like we can actually
[00:54:35] centralize our data and we can't actually
[00:54:37] have that single source of truth.
[00:54:41] Yeah, so that's, that's the
[00:54:43] the long and short
[00:54:44] of it and like real databases,
[00:54:45] I say real databases,
[00:54:46] Airtable's real database,
[00:54:47] sorry, older older applications
[00:54:48] that are not test programs.
[00:54:50] like have this ability
[00:54:51] to like reference data and
[00:54:53] create it and like master tables
[00:54:54] and stuff. But I think it's a really
[00:54:56] important thing
[00:54:57] for Airtable and,
[00:54:58] and, and seeing the
[00:55:00] the pricing changes like this,
[00:55:02] this will mostly because two way sync
[00:55:03] is is limited to business plan
[00:55:05] and above.
[00:55:06] This will be something
[00:55:07] that mostly influences people
[00:55:09] who are using Airtable for,
[00:55:12] for like commerce.
[00:55:13] But if you're a consultant
[00:55:14] and you're building
[00:55:15] for like major enterprises,
[00:55:16] now, I do think this is going
[00:55:17] to change the way that we built
[00:55:18] because that compromise,
[00:55:19] like I said of like,
[00:55:20] where does the data to live
[00:55:21] matters a whole lot less.
[00:55:23] So I was just gonna share my screen
[00:55:25] real quick and sort of walk through a very
[00:55:26] easy example.
[00:55:31] Yes. And
[00:55:31] while you're doing that,
[00:55:33] I'm gonna give a quick plug
[00:55:34] to join our community where
[00:55:35] amazing people are in there
[00:55:37] talking about stuff like this every day.
[00:55:39] So join us at builtonair.com/join
[00:55:42] and we're now talking
[00:55:44] about the two way sync
[00:55:45] with Ben
[00:55:46] and
[00:55:48] there you go your screens up. Yeah.
[00:55:50] And so an illustration of like,
[00:55:52] why does this really matter?
[00:55:53] So here we have a very simple base.
[00:55:56] I've seen a lot of or of orgs adopt like
[00:55:58] this exact thing,
[00:56:00] if not some like equivalent,
[00:56:02] this is project management type base,
[00:56:03] but this could apply to anything
[00:56:05] you start with Airtable
[00:56:06] and you build a base
[00:56:07] and you put all your stuff in it.
[00:56:08] That's great. Cool.
[00:56:10] You have fairly simple
[00:56:11] data hierarchy here.
[00:56:13] Loading.
[00:56:14] All right. And we've just got, oops,
[00:56:16] we've got
[00:56:18] projects
[00:56:20] and we've got tasks
[00:56:21] and we've got deliverables,
[00:56:22] things we want to produce.
[00:56:23] Cool. Awesome, fairly simple
[00:56:26] hierarchy makes a lot of sense.
[00:56:27] You can do anything
[00:56:28] you need with just this
[00:56:30] right here.
[00:56:30] But as people start to work
[00:56:33] and actually use the system,
[00:56:34] they realize like, oh like
[00:56:36] this is a little more
[00:56:36] complicated
[00:56:38] that like our work is a little
[00:56:39] more complicated
[00:56:40] than this simple representation
[00:56:41] because like
[00:56:42] while we are tracking
[00:56:43] all of our deliverables
[00:56:45] in one place,
[00:56:46] webinars are super different
[00:56:47] from emails which are super different
[00:56:49] from presentations,
[00:56:50] social and blog and all that stuff, right?
[00:56:52] So
[00:56:53] unless we just want to have
[00:56:54] a ton of fields
[00:56:55] that are really only specific to
[00:56:57] certain flavors of record,
[00:56:59] well, we should really break
[00:57:00] this out into different
[00:57:02] tables. Because like
[00:57:03] these all map up to this
[00:57:04] higher entity of like deliverable,
[00:57:07] but as units,
[00:57:08] they are different themselves.
[00:57:10] So like sort of the next generation
[00:57:12] that I have seen often
[00:57:13] is that people will break out
[00:57:15] the different like subunits
[00:57:16] into their own tables.
[00:57:18] So you got videos and
[00:57:20] maybe I should have loaded
[00:57:22] this beforehand.
[00:57:22] There we go, we got videos and
[00:57:23] stills and webinars
[00:57:24] and everything together.
[00:57:25] These are all deliverables but they
[00:57:26] exist on their own tables.
[00:57:27] And that means
[00:57:28] you can customize them as much as you
[00:57:30] want and have a ton of different,
[00:57:32] you know, formulas and fields or,
[00:57:34] or even scripts that automations
[00:57:35] that are only relevant to that,
[00:57:37] to that specific table. Fantastic.
[00:57:40] But new problem now you have
[00:57:42] a data hierarchy that is a lot messier
[00:57:43] because you've got a bunch of different
[00:57:45] sub entities that are mapping
[00:57:47] to like the highest level entity here,
[00:57:48] the project as individual things
[00:57:51] and there's no good way
[00:57:52] to sort of like have
[00:57:53] all of it represented
[00:57:55] as a deliverable. Well,
[00:57:56] this is where two way sync comes in,
[00:57:58] right?
[00:57:59] You can have
[00:58:00] a base where you now have
[00:58:02] a single creative deliverables table,
[00:58:05] but with their two way sync, right?
[00:58:07] These all exist as their
[00:58:08] own tables or sorry,
[00:58:09] certain bases
[00:58:09] and you're just syncing them,
[00:58:11] you're consolidating them right to
[00:58:12] this single sync table here.
[00:58:13] Fantastic. And you can even
[00:58:16] edit them from your destination
[00:58:18] even though they live in the source.
[00:58:20] That's great. What's the limiting
[00:58:22] factor? If I want to create
[00:58:23] a new whatever I can't do it here.
[00:58:26] I have to go back. We have to either have
[00:58:28] like a complicated system
[00:58:30] where we have an automation
[00:58:31] that fires in one place
[00:58:32] and does something else and
[00:58:33] blah, blah, blah, blah
[00:58:34] just to like generate this new thing
[00:58:36] or we have to just like limit
[00:58:38] our ability to do workflows and say like,
[00:58:40] well,
[00:58:40] just like if you want to do this action,
[00:58:42] you have to go somewhere else.
[00:58:43] Which is like
[00:58:45] dumb,
[00:58:46] but also it can just slow teams down
[00:58:48] or it can create these artificial
[00:58:50] barriers in ways of like, well,
[00:58:51] we, we don't create like that type
[00:58:53] of record that has to be that team.
[00:58:55] And that's, I don't think a very good
[00:58:57] lesson in a lot of cases.
[00:58:58] It could be like maybe you want to limit
[00:59:00] the ability to only create
[00:59:01] certain types of records
[00:59:03] to certain people,
[00:59:03] but that shouldn't be an inherent
[00:59:04] limitation. It should be something you
[00:59:06] implement yourself.
[00:59:07] So with two way sync
[00:59:08] I think and the ability to like,
[00:59:10] actually create records in a source from a
[00:59:12] destination.
[00:59:14] I don't know what it looked
[00:59:15] like exactly,
[00:59:15] but I'm going to imagine like in an
[00:59:16] interface,
[00:59:17] just like we now have the ability
[00:59:19] to customize
[00:59:23] the ability for.
[00:59:24] Let me get a list for you real quick.
[00:59:26] Let's drop something
[00:59:27] on here.
[00:59:29] So we with the new list views,
[00:59:32] the consolidated views,
[00:59:34] you can
[00:59:36] say if you want like in online
[00:59:38] edit permission
[00:59:39] in online creation permission
[00:59:41] and like all of those things.
[00:59:42] So I I'd imagine
[00:59:43] that you'll have like a button here for,
[00:59:46] you know, and I edit
[00:59:48] create like you'd be able to create
[00:59:50] and even though it's
[00:59:51] coming from a new source,
[00:59:53] maybe apply like a record template
[00:59:55] or like the default options
[00:59:56] like you can now
[00:59:57] with the form views and that's
[00:59:59] going to be really powerful because like
[01:00:01] in combination with like the buttons
[01:00:02] that we can now get at the top,
[01:00:04] you could be like, I want to create a new
[01:00:05] blog post in this example
[01:00:07] or still request or whatever.
[01:00:09] So that's gonna populate
[01:00:10] a new record
[01:00:11] in that new base,
[01:00:12] even though you're staying in one place,
[01:00:15] I could go on and on to talk
[01:00:17] about this in any detail.
[01:00:18] I I do feel like we had
[01:00:19] to rush it just a little bit.
[01:00:20] But the, the basic premise here,
[01:00:21] the analogy that I think is
[01:00:23] helpful is that lego analogy of
[01:00:24] you're gonna be able to design pieces,
[01:00:26] publish them like to your workspace
[01:00:28] and then people can use those to build
[01:00:30] whatever they want without having
[01:00:31] to understand the data in the same way and
[01:00:33] take a step down
[01:00:34] an important
[01:00:35] piece to this that I, I guess
[01:00:38] I did not bring up was that
[01:00:40] with the updates to two way sync,
[01:00:43] it's going to also mean that more field
[01:00:45] types are supported.
[01:00:47] One they've talked about specifically
[01:00:49] is that if you have a like a a synced view
[01:00:52] somewhere that linked record
[01:00:53] relationships will come over,
[01:00:55] you're not gonna have to do that
[01:00:56] crazy thing now or you have to be like,
[01:00:57] oh it, it turns into just
[01:00:59] a simple texting and then
[01:01:00] I sync over the second table
[01:01:02] and then I change the field type.
[01:01:04] No, that'll just like
[01:01:05] come over altogether.
[01:01:06] So you could do lookups without
[01:01:07] having to do all of the crazy
[01:01:08] like Mabo Jumbo that you need to,
[01:01:09] that's really important and of course,
[01:01:11] automations to be able to address that
[01:01:12] as well.
[01:01:13] So
[01:01:13] this is why I'm really excited about it.
[01:01:16] It's gonna fix like so many problems
[01:01:18] with a bunch
[01:01:19] of the builds that I currently
[01:01:20] have that have like
[01:01:21] ridiculous amounts of complexity
[01:01:23] just to accomplish
[01:01:24] simple things.
[01:01:26] But yeah,
[01:01:27] that's why I'm really excited.
[01:01:28] I don't have time
[01:01:29] to tell anyone because
[01:01:30] I certainly don't know,
[01:01:31] Airtable doesn't tell me those
[01:01:32] things. I just get to beta
[01:01:33] test it when it's ready.
[01:01:34] So yeah, that's what
[01:01:36] we can all look forward to
[01:01:37] and can't wait for it to really
[01:01:40] allow us to build way cooler stuff.
[01:01:43] Couple of questions I had,
[01:01:45] So this, this really works if you,
[01:01:48] if you have multi
[01:01:49] source syncing into one table, right?
[01:01:51] That's kind of the use case where you
[01:01:53] talked about where you can actually create
[01:01:56] that
[01:01:57] original source in that,
[01:01:59] in that destination table.
[01:02:01] And then is this any different
[01:02:03] than the verified data
[01:02:05] component that's supposedly in beta still?
[01:02:08] Yeah. So I, I guess I don't have
[01:02:11] entirely a good idea of how they differ or
[01:02:14] what I can talk about,
[01:02:16] but they do seem
[01:02:17] to be like closely aligned
[01:02:18] I I can
[01:02:19] explain. So
[01:02:20] a
[01:02:21] verified data set is basically
[01:02:23] exactly like all other syncs
[01:02:26] except for what it does
[01:02:27] that surfaces if you click
[01:02:29] add or import at the top,
[01:02:30] pretend like you're making a new table.
[01:02:34] And then right now
[01:02:36] from data library are
[01:02:38] like
[01:02:40] you would basically
[01:02:41] pick of all of your synced
[01:02:43] tables that you've already set up.
[01:02:46] Here's one that
[01:02:47] is, you know, all of my projects
[01:02:49] are gonna need this or
[01:02:51] you know, II I need to
[01:02:53] reuse this same synced table
[01:02:55] 1000 times. So rather than me
[01:02:58] finding that link 1000 times,
[01:03:00] it just sort of
[01:03:01] surfaces. It as like, hey,
[01:03:03] you're gonna use this
[01:03:05] here. It is. And it also allows you
[01:03:08] at an enterprise scale to say,
[01:03:10] OK, only the marketing
[01:03:11] team really needs this as
[01:03:12] a verified data set
[01:03:14] and the sales team needs
[01:03:15] their own separate set
[01:03:17] of things that they're
[01:03:18] constantly syncing back and forth
[01:03:19] so you can separate them out.
[01:03:21] So anything that you could do with
[01:03:23] any sync you can also do with the data
[01:03:25] library, probably.
[01:03:28] These adjustments to syncing,
[01:03:30] just sort of makes
[01:03:31] it much easier to edit from within
[01:03:34] the target base. It almost feels like
[01:03:37] the relationship where you have
[01:03:39] the source and the target
[01:03:41] is being changed so
[01:03:42] that it's,
[01:03:44] there's they're more blended
[01:03:46] because you could do everything in the,
[01:03:48] the source base now and few things
[01:03:50] in the target base,
[01:03:51] it sounds like you'll be
[01:03:52] able to do
[01:03:54] much of the same things in both.
[01:03:57] Yeah. Because you can totally
[01:03:59] imagine a scenario
[01:04:00] in which like a verified data
[01:04:01] set, like a master list of accounts
[01:04:02] that's like syncing from sales force or
[01:04:04] somewhere. Like obviously,
[01:04:05] you don't want you
[01:04:06] just to be able to like change
[01:04:07] that. We need to go to your system
[01:04:09] of record for that.
[01:04:09] So being this is this is
[01:04:10] the list,
[01:04:11] look at it but like don't edit anything,
[01:04:13] but
[01:04:13] there are lots of times
[01:04:15] where like you want,
[01:04:15] like
[01:04:16] you do want to be able to edit that.
[01:04:19] So yeah,
[01:04:20] the the opportunities are
[01:04:23] going to grow,
[01:04:24] I think pretty significantly for
[01:04:25] how we sort of finagle our,
[01:04:27] our, our grander account structure
[01:04:30] to be a lot more coherent
[01:04:32] and get rid of like silos,
[01:04:33] hopefully just like get rid of like,
[01:04:34] oh well, that data lives there
[01:04:35] and this data lives here.
[01:04:36] They don't really talk
[01:04:37] to each other.
[01:04:38] Yeah.
[01:04:40] Yeah, that ability to create
[01:04:42] and then it'll know the mapping
[01:04:44] on the back end of
[01:04:45] because it'll be named differently
[01:04:47] on your destination, but it'll know,
[01:04:49] you know where to map back
[01:04:50] to when you create it on the destination.
[01:04:52] That's interesting.
[01:04:54] I would love a field, you know,
[01:04:56] we have created by and last edited by.
[01:04:58] I wanna like created in field.
[01:05:02] Like the the the sync source field
[01:05:05] will tell you like where a record
[01:05:08] came from.
[01:05:10] But like, I just wanna make sure that
[01:05:12] when we're able to add
[01:05:14] records from within a target base.
[01:05:16] We also get to know like
[01:05:19] this is the record
[01:05:20] it was created in as well just to,
[01:05:23] you know, I might treat it differently
[01:05:25] in automation based on that value.
[01:05:27] Yeah, I was trying to find it.
[01:05:28] I was like, where the heck is this?
[01:05:29] Because I renamed it,
[01:05:30] your sync source field
[01:05:31] is called acid type.
[01:05:33] And, and right on top of that,
[01:05:35] I would love a base schema
[01:05:36] that's not just the
[01:05:37] base but shows like
[01:05:38] the via dotted line.
[01:05:40] Where is the data coming from?
[01:05:41] Because we have the
[01:05:43] data. Can I talk about this?
[01:05:44] Oh OK. I can't talk about that
[01:05:46] but it's basically just fancier
[01:05:48] base schema.
[01:05:50] But if you could see it
[01:05:51] like an account level or a
[01:05:52] workspace level, how is all the data
[01:05:54] moving around
[01:05:55] that would be really cool and
[01:05:56] maybe have like layers for like,
[01:05:57] you know, this is the actual data
[01:05:59] and then these are the
[01:06:00] automations that live on
[01:06:01] top of the data.
[01:06:02] And then these are the interfaces
[01:06:03] that live on top of all of
[01:06:04] that. That would be super cool
[01:06:05] and would save so much time
[01:06:07] for tracking down
[01:06:08] like where the heck is this coming from?
[01:06:10] Like why does it work this way?
[01:06:12] Yeah,
[01:06:15] that's awesome.
[01:06:16] Very cool. So yeah, no timeline.
[01:06:18] I know there was a question on that.
[01:06:20] So
[01:06:21] I mean, the fact that you haven't,
[01:06:23] they haven't given it to you to beta test.
[01:06:24] That probably implies
[01:06:26] we've still got a ways to go.
[01:06:28] Yeah.
[01:06:28] How, how hard could it be?
[01:06:30] It's just replacing the lightning
[01:06:31] bolt with a plus
[01:06:32] symbol. Right?
[01:06:35] Yeah. They made several changes to,
[01:06:39] sync as is for,
[01:06:40] at least on the enterprise level plans.
[01:06:42] I don't know if they've trickled
[01:06:43] down to pro slash team slash business
[01:06:46] yet.
[01:06:47] Ubut I, they're actively improving
[01:06:50] pieces of it as they go.
[01:06:51] So
[01:06:52] I don't know when adding
[01:06:53] records from a target base
[01:06:54] is gonna be there.
[01:06:55] But we did recently get
[01:06:57] updating via automation and updating via
[01:07:00] an interface, which was,
[01:07:03] you know, also deeply
[01:07:04] annoying limitations of
[01:07:06] sync which have been
[01:07:07] eliminated very recently. So,
[01:07:09] you know, I don't know the
[01:07:11] timeline either. I imagine that, you know,
[01:07:12] because they were able to
[01:07:15] solve those things recently,
[01:07:17] you know,
[01:07:18] it might be.
[01:07:21] And as
[01:07:21] soon I don't wanna,
[01:07:24] I, I refused to give a number
[01:07:26] because I have no idea.
[01:07:28] And obviously I won't commit
[01:07:29] anyone to anything. But the, the,
[01:07:30] the team over there who's focusing on,
[01:07:32] on sync, cross base sync
[01:07:33] has been working on
[01:07:34] this problem for a long time
[01:07:36] and they're thinking about it a lot
[01:07:37] and they talk about it a lot and they're
[01:07:39] very clutter.
[01:07:40] So
[01:07:40] I think,
[01:07:41] I think it'll like if I had a big
[01:07:43] a wild number,
[01:07:44] like, I hope it's here by the
[01:07:45] end of the year because that would make,
[01:07:47] it would be a fantastic end of your
[01:07:48] gift.
[01:07:49] But obviously I have no idea.
[01:07:51] Good.
[01:07:52] Thank you. Thank you Ben
[01:07:54] for that insight and
[01:07:55] sneak peek at what's to come,
[01:07:57] appreciate you coming on
[01:07:59] and that concludes our season 15.
[01:08:01] So we'll be off for a few weeks
[01:08:03] through the month of September
[01:08:05] and we'll be back
[01:08:06] online in October.
[01:08:07] We will see you then take care everyone.